Justification from everlasting !

Epoisses

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Your false doctrine, when applied to reality, denies that the children of Yisra'El were slaves in Egypt. You deny the need for redemption to be applied to the sinner, to save the sinner from the wrath of the law under which he was born and lives. Your doctrine actually flies in the face of the evangelism and the power it possess to set the captives free, because you deny captivity. If Adam was justified then why did he hide and why do the children of Adam run...

Clavinist fight, Clavinist fight! Get the popcorn and hopefully they will cancel each other out.
 

beloved57

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Eph 1:6 Accepted in the Beloved !

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

This verse speaks to Eternal Justification, or Justification from before the foundation. Its to the Praise of the Glory of Gods Grace that those Chosen in the Beloved before the foundation Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

That they were accepted in Him as Early.

To be accepted of God is inclusive of Justifciation. Its God bestowing His Divine Approval and Favor upon one in Christ. Thats why they are freely Justified by Grace Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
 

Nanja

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Eph 1:6 Accepted in the Beloved !

6 [FONT=&]To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

This verse speaks to Eternal Justification, or Justification from before the foundation. Its to the Praise of the Glory of Gods Grace that those Chosen in the Beloved before the foundation Eph 1:4

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4 [FONT=&]According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

That they were accepted in Him as Early.

To be accepted of God is inclusive of Justifciation. Its God bestowing His Divine Approval and Favor upon one in Christ. Thats why they are freely Justified by Grace Rom 3:24

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24 [FONT=&]Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:[/FONT]



Amen! From Eternity the Elect were In Union with Christ, and were Accepted in Him, God's Beloved Son, and their Surety, to have forgiveness of sins according to the riches of His Grace Eph. 1:7. And so it had to be just as Early that they were Justified by His Blood in God's Sight Rev. 13:8; Rom. 5:9, as the sins they would commit in time were imputed to Christ Is. 53:6, and His Righteousness imputed to them Ps. 32:1-2. They were Saved according to God's Purpose and Grace given them in Christ before the world began 2 Tim. 1:9 .
 

beloved57

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Amen! From Eternity the Elect were In Union with Christ, and were Accepted in Him, God's Beloved Son, and their Surety, to have forgiveness of sins according to the riches of His Grace Eph. 1:7. And so it had to be just as Early that they were Justified by His Blood in God's Sight Rev. 13:8; Rom. 5:9, as the sins they would commit in time were imputed to Christ Is. 53:6, and His Righteousness imputed to them Ps. 32:1-2. They were Saved according to God's Purpose and Grace given them in Christ before the world began 2 Tim. 1:9 .
Amen Sister!

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beloved57

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Because in the Purpose of God Christ was slain for the sins of those whose names had been written in the Lambs Book of Life Rev 13:8

[FONT=&quot]And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Christ had been preappointed to be slain 1 Pet 1:20

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20 [FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Who verily [/FONT]was foreordained before the foundation of the world[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif], but was manifest in these last times for you,[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Hence, all the Chosen of God were Justified in Christ from the time of Christ's appointment to be their redeemer, He became their Surety, so that no sin of theirs would be charged to their account, but to His, and that's why He came on the earth, by Divine Appointment ! And this Justification is that Justification of Life Rom 5:18 because they're names are written in the Book of Life ![/FONT]
 

Nanja

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Because in the Purpose of God Christ was slain for the sins of those whose names had been written in the Lambs Book of Life Rev 13:8

[FONT="]And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Christ had been preappointed to be slain 1 Pet 1:20

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20 [FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Who verily [/FONT]was foreordained before the foundation of the world[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif], but was manifest in these last times for you,[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Hence, all the Chosen of God were Justified in Christ from the time of Christ's appointment to be their redeemer, He became their Surety, so that no sin of theirs would be charged to their account, but to His, and that's why He came on the earth, by Divine Appointment ! And this Justification is that Justification of Life Rom 5:18 because they're names are written in the Book of Life ![/FONT]


Amen!

Christ was preappointed as Surety and Covenant Head of His Sheep, to be the Lamb Slain before the foundation of the world, which of course preceded God's Creation of Adam and all His Elect Seed he was originally Federal Head of, so that the sins they would ever commit in time were already imputed to Christ Ps. 103:12. Praise the Lord!

"Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered. Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile." Ps. 32:1-2

Is. 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Rom. 5:9-10
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
 

Nanja

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Ps 50:21

21 These things hast thou done, and I kept silence; thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thyself: but I will reprove thee, and set them in order before thine eyes.

Evil men, with corrupt minds, do blaspheme God, and think of God as one like himself, when in our thinking, they join what God has seperated in point and time, and that more specifically being His Eternal Justification of the Elect in His own Mind in Christ, due to His own innate Purpose within Himself, and then the declaring the Elect Justified in their own conscience in time. This is an willful confounding of Eternity with time, the Eternal with the temporal, the Creator with the creature.

For God in His Own Eternal Purpose, He did act immanently, Justifying the Elect in Christ within His Own Counsel from Everlasting, so from Everlasting He is their God Ps 90:1-2

Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.

Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God[In Covenant].

Thats why it is written of His Mercy Ps 103:17

17 But the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

But this is different and opposed to when He would Justify them in their own persons and hearts in time.

If God does not in His own Mind consider the Elect Justified from Eternity by His Own immanent act, but not until the Elect in their own mind in time are Justified by God given Faith [The Faith of God's Elect Titus 1:1-2], then this would speak of an mutability in God, a Change from what His Mind was in Eternity towards His Elect, which would make God out to be as one of His creatures, and Eternity is governed by time. This is Blasphemy against God, and unless repentance is granted , those teaching such and believing such shall not go unpunished in Hell !

And everyone who disbelieves in the Eternal Justification of God's Elect are in serious peril of damnation !


Amen 100% !
 

beloved57

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Justified by Eternal Purpose in Christ before creation

This Truth will have many adversaries, but scripture supports the sacred notion. That from everlasting based upon Gods settled and immutable purpose in Christ Eph 3:11, that God would not charge nor punish sins in the persons of His Elect/Chosen in Christ before the foundation Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain [in purpose] from the foundation of the world.

See if Christ was in the purpose of God from the foundation for the sins of the elect, its reasonable to conclude that in Gods purpose the sins of the elect and their punishment had been charged to Christ, so it was never Gods purpose to punish the elect for the penalty of their sins, their law breaking in time, in Adam and themselves the penalty thereof was to be charged to Christ, hence their justification from all sin before the creation !

1 Pet 1:20

20 Who verily[Christ] was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

He was foreordained before the foundation to be their redeeming Surety by His Blood ! Even then they were Justified by His Blood, which would be shed in time !
 

beloved57

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Justified by Eternal Purpose in Christ before creation

Thats why it can be said of the elect of God which cant be said of the non elect vessels of wrath 1 Thess 5:9-10

For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,


10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

God could not have appointed them to wrath, that would have been contrary to the eternal purpose in Christ before creation, wherein Christ was already slain for their sins and Justified by His Blood.

Hence those Christ died for are not appointed to wrath as others !

 

Nanja

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Justified by Eternal Purpose in Christ before creation

Thats why it can be said of the elect of God which cant be said of the non elect vessels of wrath 1 Thess 5:9-10

For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,


10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

God could not have appointed them to wrath, that would have been contrary to the eternal purpose in Christ before creation, wherein Christ was already slain for their sins and Justified by His Blood.

Hence those Christ died for are not appointed to wrath as others !



Amen to both parts !

God's Elect are His Vessels of Mercy Rom. 9:23, and were always completely exonerated, freed from all sin, even before being Created.

That is, in the Mind and Purpose and Decree of God, all the sins the Elect would commit in time were imputed to Christ the Lamb Rev. 13:8, and His Righteousness imputed to them: Decreed not guilty before God !

Psalm 32:1-2

1 Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.

2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

Therefore, there never was a time when God's Elect were not Justified by the Blood of the Lamb according to God's Law and Justice:

The Lamb of God being slain in their behalf according to the Eternal Purpose of God before the foundation Eph. 3:11.

Rom. 5:9-10

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

1 Pet. 1:20
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
 

beloved57

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Gods Elect are Justified from everlasting simply as Gods Elect Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth

How long have they been God's Elect or Chosen? Since before the foundation of the World Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
 
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beloved57

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And of course Justification from everlasting means without question Justification before faith, and while being ungodly Rom 4:5

5 [FONT=&quot]But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

This scripture proves that God justified some while being ungodly ![/FONT]
 

Nanja

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Gods Elect are Justified from everlasting simply as Gods Elect Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth

How long have they been God's Elect or Chosen? Since before the foundation of the World Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:


Amen, God's Elect can never be called into account for any sin they have ever committed simply because none was ever laid to their charge, but was imputed to Christ their Surety Heb.7:22, and His Righteousness imputed to them before the world began, that's how long they have been Justified !

2 Tim. 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
 

Nanja

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And of course Justification from everlasting means without question Justification before faith, and while being ungodly Rom 4:5

5 [FONT="]But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

This scripture proves that God justified some while being ungodly ![/FONT]



Absolutely, completely reconciled to God while being His enemies and believers !


Rom. 5:19

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
 

beloved57

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2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Not only are the Elect of God Justified before God before the world began, by His Purpose and Grace, so are they saved before the world began by the same Purpose and Grace. Notice Paul wrote "who saved us, then called us"
 
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Nanja

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2 Tim 1:9

9[FONT="]Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Not only are the Elect of God Justified before God before the world began, by His Purpose and Grace, so are they saved before the world began by the same Purpose and Grace. Notice Paul wrote "who saved us, then called us"[/FONT]



Amen ! In the Mind and Purpose of God, Christ was set up as Surety Heb. 7:22 in the Everlasting Covenant of Grace, for all the Elect of God He had Chosen In Union with Christ to be holy and without blame before Him in Love, to have remission of sins and an Eternal Inheritance Eph. 1:4-11; the same ones which were Chosen to Salvation and Belief of the Truth 2 Thes. 2:13.

Prov. 8:22-23

22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

Ps. 84:11

For the LORD God is a sun and shield: the LORD will give grace and glory: no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.


Therefore, they were Justified from all sin before the World began: That is Eternally Saved before their Calling in time, and before their Faith that shall be given them in time when they are Born of the Spirit Gal. 5:22.
 
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