Justification from everlasting !

beloved57

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Blessed with all spiritual blessings means eternal Justification !

Back in the book of Ephesians, Paul writes these words to Believers, Gods Chosen Eph 1:1-4

[FONT=&quot]Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

According to our election in Christ, God blessed the elect with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ. Some of these spiritual blessings we partake of only after were born into the world, like regeneration and faith, both spiritual blessings, however Justification before the Mind of God is a Spiritual blessing we have in Christ as early as our election in Him was, before the foundation of the world.

Yes, all the elect like other men are born dead in sin, and are by nature children of wrath as others, but different from the non elect portion of mankind, they have been chosen in Christ before the foundation, and in Him have been given all spiritual blessings, such as Justification, and so unlike the non elect, they are still born Justified before God, even as they are born, by nature, children of wrath as others ![/FONT]
 

Nanja

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Blessed with all spiritual blessings means eternal Justification !

Back in the book of Ephesians, Paul writes these words to Believers, Gods Chosen Eph 1:1-4

[FONT="]Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT="]2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.[/FONT]

[FONT="][FONT=Arial][B]3 [/B][/FONT]Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, [B]who hath blessed us with [U]all spiritual blessings [/U]in heavenly places in Christ:[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT="]4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

According to our election in Christ, God blessed the elect with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ. Some of these spiritual blessings we partake of only after were born into the world, like regeneration and faith, both spiritual blessings, however Justification before the Mind of God is a Spiritual blessing we have in Christ as early as our election in Him was, before the foundation of the world.

Yes, all the elect like other men are born dead in sin, and are by nature children of wrath as others, but different from the non elect portion of mankind, they have been chosen in Christ before the foundation, and in Him have been given all spiritual blessings, such as Justification, and so unlike the non elect, they are still born Justified before God, even as they are born, by nature, children of wrath as others ![/FONT]



True, even though God's elect are born dead in sin and are by nature children of wrath, as the devil's children are, they were never under any condemnation Rom. 8:1 because they were chosen In Union with Christ their Surety Head Heb. 7:22 before the world began, being Saved and Called according to God's Purpose and Grace 2 Tim. 1:9 to be His Adopted Children Eph. 1:4-5, they receive all Spiritual Blessings on account of His Blood Work on their behalf Rev. 13:8. So when Christ was Raised from the dead as the Great Shepherd of the Sheep Heb. 13:20, they being In Him were raised with Him, evidence of their being reconciled to God Rom. 5:10; Rom. 4:7-8, and shall in Time be born again of His Spirit and given a new nature which identifies them as being Children of God Gal. 4:6. All these Spiritual Blessings are evidence of their being Justified in God's sight from Everlasting!

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beloved57

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2 Cor 5:19 can very well be a scripture on Eternal Justification, I believe it is, and therefore a vital part of the message of reconciliation, or the word of reconciliation 2 Cor 5:19

That is, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and has committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

That word in en as in Christ can sometimes be translated with, and so can be rendered :"
, that God was with Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them.



This could very well be the transaction agreement of Suretyship, when before the foundation, God the Father made His Son an Surety of an Better Covenant, which was the Everlasting Covenant Heb 13:20

[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep,[/FONT] through the blood of the everlasting covenant,



[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Now its hard to deny that an Everlasting Covenant was made regarding the blood of Christ. And we know that His Blood shed was determined before the foundation of the world when we consider these two scriptures #1 Rev 13:8

[/FONT]And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

1 Pet 1:20

Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif], but was manifest in these last times for you,[/FONT]

[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I believe this has to do with being preappointed the redeemer of Gods elect before the foundation. This preappointment I believe was in establishing the Surety engagement of Christ, wherein the sins of Gods elect would be charged to Him, and Suretyship Righteousness and Obedience would be charged to the Elect, so Vs 21 of 2 Cor 5:21 supplements Vs 19 ![/FONT]
 

Nanja

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2 Cor 5:19 can very well be a scripture on Eternal Justification, I believe it is, and therefore a vital part of the message of reconciliation, or the word of reconciliation 2 Cor 5:19

That is, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and has committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

That word in en as in Christ can sometimes be translated with, and so can be rendered :"
, that God was with Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them.



This could very well be the transaction agreement of Suretyship, when before the foundation, God the Father made His Son an Surety of an Better Covenant, which was the Everlasting Covenant Heb 13:20

[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep,[/FONT] through the blood of the everlasting covenant,



[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Now its hard to deny that an Everlasting Covenant was made regarding the blood of Christ. And we know that His Blood shed was determined before the foundation of the world when we consider these two scriptures #1 Rev 13:8

[/FONT]And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

1 Pet 1:20

Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif], but was manifest in these last times for you,[/FONT]

[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I believe this has to do with being preappointed the redeemer of Gods elect before the foundation. This preappointment I believe was in establishing the Surety engagement of Christ, wherein the sins of Gods elect would be charged to Him, and Suretyship Righteousness and Obedience would be charged to the Elect, so Vs 21 of 2 Cor 5:21 supplements Vs 19 ![/FONT]


Yes, I Know you are right!


I believe that 2 Cor. 5:19 tells us that the World God was reconciling to Himself, not imputing their sins to them but to Christ, His preappointed Redeemer of the World, were those He elected in Him, to be Holy and without blame before Him in Love Eph. 1:4-7. And that, they being In Union with Christ, were "made the Righteousness of God in Him" 2 Cor. 5:21: The World of The Sheep that God Loved John 3:16; 10:15. And when the Sheep were reconciled to God by the Lamb Slain before the foundation Rev. 13:8, they were even then, in the Mind and Purpose of God Eph. 3:11, Justified from Everlasting by His Righteousness and Obedience on their behalf!

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beloved57

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Gods Eternal Purpose/will in Christ demands Eternal Justification of His Chosen !

Eph 1:7-11

[FONT=&quot]In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; 8Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; 9Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 10That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: 11In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

This purpose is the same purpose as that Paul will write of later in this same letter Eph 3:11

According to the et​ernal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

This purposed involved the forgiveness of sins Eph 1:7. This informs us that its always been the eternal purpose of God to forgive the sins of His people in Christ according to the riches of His Grace. Its always been from everlasting, not to punish His Chosen for their sins, but to punish their sins in the person of Christ. This is why David wrote of an mercy from everlasting to everlasting Ps 103:17

But the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

This is why Christ was set forth, foreordained before the foundation in this redemptive purpose 1 Pet 1:18-20

Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you

Rom 3:24-25

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[FONT=&quot]Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Those words "set forth" is the greek word [/FONT]
protithémi which means:

I purpose, design beforehand, determine.

"to place, set") – properly, to place before, setting forth in advance to achieve a particular purpose.

("to purpose") is the root of 4286 /próthesis ("God's providence, eternal purpose)[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif],[/FONT]

[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Purpose of God to remit the sins of His people through Christ was set forth from the beginning, because it His Eternal will to do so, by imputing the sins of His people unto Christ. All the Old Testament Saints were given Faith in His blood.

And since Gods will to forgive the sins of His People according to His Eternal Redemptive Purpose in Christ, Their Justification from their sins was from the establishment of that same Eternal Purpose !
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beloved57

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By the way, I'm deeply indebted to God for His servant John Gill for his piece on Eternal Justification:
http://www.mountzionpbc.org/Index/index04.htm

With that stated I quote him here:

It deserves regard and attention, that the saints under the Old Testament, were justified by the same righteousness of Christ, as those under the New, and that before the sacrifice was offered up, the satisfaction given, and the everlasting righteousness brought in; for Christ's blood was shed for the remission of sins that were past, and his death was for the redemption of transgressions under the first Testament, #Ro 3:25 Heb 9:15.Now if God could, and actually did, justify some, three or four thousand years before the righteousness of Christ was actually wrought out, taking his Son's word and bond as their Surety, and in a view of his future righteousness; why could he not, and why may it not be thought he did, justify all his elect from eternity, upon the word and bond of their Surety, and on the basis of his future righteousness, which he had engaged to work out, and which he full well knew he would most certainly work out? and if there is no difficulty in conceiving of the one, there can be none in conceiving of the other.

Basically the point here is that if God Justified the OT Believers based upon the blood of Christ, many many centuries prior to His incarnation, then why doubt that He justified the elect from eternity based upon the blood of Christ that would be shed for them in time. Certainly He could trust His Son to come into the World and shed His blood of the everlasting covenant!
 

Nanja

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Basically the point here is that if God Justified the OT Believers based upon the blood of Christ, many many centuries prior to His incarnation, then why doubt that He justified the elect from eternity based upon the blood of Christ that would be shed for them in time. Certainly He could trust His Son to come into the World and shed His blood of the everlasting covenant!


Excellent point! All Christ's Seed chosen In Union with Him from Everlasting were also Justified from Everlasting by the blood of their Surety regardless of when they are born in Time; before or after His incarnation. And I don't see how it's even possible that any elect child of God, Sanctified by the Work of the Spirit, could have any doubt with regard to this monumental Truth of scripture. For the Promise is that God shall show them His Covenant Ps. 25:14, and they have a genuine Interest in it because they are Beneficiaries of it :). Secondly, all God's Children are Taught by Him Is. 54:13 and shall be given understanding to Believe this Truth.

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beloved57

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Nanja
And I don't see how it's even possible that any elect child of God, Sanctified by the Work of the Spirit, could have any doubt with regard to this monumental Truth of scripture. For the Promise is that God shall show them His Covenant Ps. 25:14,

Exactly! Gods people will be taught all things by the Spirit relevant to their Salvation in Christ.
 

beloved57

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Being Justified by His Blood Rom 5:9 means Justification by God from the foundation of the World. Why and how can that be ? Because from God's Eternal Purpose and perspective Christ was slain from the foundation of the World Rev 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.


Rev 5:9

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

So Christ being slain denotes His Blood which denotes Justification by His Blood Rom 5:9

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
 

Nanja

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Being Justified by His Blood Rom 5:9 means Justification by God from the foundation of the World. Why and how can that be ? Because from God's Eternal Purpose and perspective Christ was slain from the foundation of the World Rev 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.


Rev 5:9

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

So Christ being slain denotes His Blood which denotes Justification by His Blood Rom 5:9

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.


Amen Brother!

According to the Eternal Purpose of God Eph. 1:11, the Election of Grace, chosen of the Father in Christ before the foundation Eph. 1:4, were already Justified by the Blood of the Lamb, their designated Surety / Saviour Heb. 7:22 from Everlasting. And Justification entails all that Salvation is: Complete reconciliation to God Rom. 5:10, according to the riches of His Grace Eph. 1:7, for all sins they would ever commit in Time: Saved from the penalty of sin before they sinned!

And being declared by God to be Saved and Called before the World began 2 Tim. 1:9, they were also Glorified in Christ Jesus!

Rom. 8:30
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
 

beloved57

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Amen Brother!

According to the Eternal Purpose of God Eph. 1:11, the Election of Grace, chosen of the Father in Christ before the foundation Eph. 1:4, were already Justified by the Blood of the Lamb, their designated Surety / Saviour Heb. 7:22 from Everlasting. And Justification entails all that Salvation is: Complete reconciliation to God Rom. 5:10, according to the riches of His Grace Eph. 1:7, for all sins they would ever commit in Time: Saved from the penalty of sin before they sinned!

And being declared by God to be Saved and Called before the World began 2 Tim. 1:9, they were also Glorified in Christ Jesus!

Rom. 8:30
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Amen Sister!

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beloved57

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Due to the fact that in the mind and purpose of God, Christ was slain from the foundation of the World, it must be the sins of the Elect in His mind and purpose had been imputed upon Him, then must the Elect have been Justified from their sins from the foundation.
 

Nanja

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Due to the fact that in the mind and purpose of God, Christ was slain from the foundation of the World, it must be the sins of the Elect in His mind and purpose had been imputed upon Him, then must the Elect have been Justified from their sins from the foundation.


True! The Elect were chosen in Christ their Surety from Everlasting to have remission of sins before the foundation.

So according to God's Law and Justice every one of them were Legally abjured Righteous in the Eternal Purpose of God because all of their sins were transferred to Christ the Lamb. Consequently, they are born into this world Justified.
 

beloved57

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Contending for Justification from Eternity for Gods Elect !

Now Justification is totally of God Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Yes it emanates from His Mind ! God is Eternal Deut 33:27

27 The eternal God is thy refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms: and he shall thrust out the enemy from before thee; and shall say, Destroy them.

Its an Act/Work of His Eternal Mind premised upon the Lamb slain from the foundation Rev 13:8;1 Pet 1: 20, and all His Works are known from the beginning Acts 15:18

18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

Acts of God Mind are Eternal and Immutable Ps 33:11

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The counsel of the Lord standeth for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations.
 
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Nanja

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Contending for Justification from Eternity for Gods Elect !

Now Justification is totally of God Rom 8:33

33 [FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? [/FONT]It is God that justifieth.

[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] Yes it emanates from His Mind ! God is Eternal Deut 33:27[/FONT]

27[FONT="][B]The eternal God is thy refuge[/B], and underneath are the everlasting arms: and he shall thrust out the enemy from before thee; and shall say, Destroy them.

[COLOR="#006400"]Its an Act/Work of His Eternal Mind premised upon the Lamb slain from the foundation Rev 13:8;1 Pet 1: 20, and all His Works are known from the beginning Acts 15:18


[/FONT][/COLOR]18 [FONT="][B][COLOR="#006400"]Known unto God are all his works[/B] from the beginning of the world.

Acts of God Mind are Eternal and Immutable Ps 33:11

[/FONT][/COLOR]11 [FONT="]The counsel of the [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT="]Lord[/FONT][FONT="] standeth for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/QUOTE]


Amen Brother! In the Mind and Eternal Purpose of God Eph. 3:11, the Lamb Slain Rev. 13:8 has from Eternity been wounded for the transgressions of all the Elect of God Is. 53:5 which He has Chosen In Union with Christ before the foundation Eph. 1:4: The sins they would commit in time were imputed to Christ and His Righteousness imputed to them in Eternity Ps. 32:1-2. [COLOR="#006400"]Hence, they are Justified / Saved from Eternity !

2 Tim. 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began
 

beloved57

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Amen Brother! In the Mind and Eternal Purpose of God Eph. 3:11, the Lamb Slain Rev. 13:8 has from Eternity been wounded for the transgressions of all the Elect of God Is. 53:5 which He has Chosen In Union with Christ before the foundation Eph. 1:4: The sins they would commit in time were imputed to Christ and His Righteousness imputed to them in Eternity Ps. 32:1-2. Hence, they are Justified / Saved from Eternity !

2 Tim. 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began

Truly Amen!
 

beloved57

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Contending for Justification from Eternity for Gods Elect !2

Redemption by the Lamb was concieved in the Mind of God before the foundation 1 Pet 1:18-20

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

And the elect are Justified through the redemption that is in the Lamb Christ Jesus Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
 

Nanja

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Contending for Justification from Eternity for Gods Elect !2

Redemption by the Lamb was concieved in the Mind of God before the foundation 1 Pet 1:18-20

[FONT=&]18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
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[FONT=&]19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
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[FONT=&]20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

And the elect are Justified through the redemption that is in the Lamb Christ Jesus Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:[/FONT]


Yes, we know from the scriptures, that it was from Eternity, before the World was created, that Christ the Son pledged as Surety to Redeem all His Seed, His Sons He delighted in Prov. 8:31, which were already considered holy and without blame before Him in Love Eph. 1:4-7, by His transferring their sins upon Himself through the Blood of the Everlasting Covenant of Grace Heb. 13:20. So when Christ, the Surety of His Sheep John 10:15, was raised again as the Great Shepherd of the Sheep, they being In Union with Him were declared Justified Rom. 3:24; 4:25!
 

Truster

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Your false doctrine, when applied to reality, denies that the children of Yisra'El were slaves in Egypt. You deny the need for redemption to be applied to the sinner, to save the sinner from the wrath of the law under which he was born and lives. Your doctrine actually flies in the face of the evangelism and the power it possess to set the captives free, because you deny captivity. If Adam was justified then why did he hide and why do the children of Adam run...
 

beloved57

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Yes, we know from the scriptures, that it was from Eternity, before the World was created, that Christ the Son pledged as Surety to Redeem all His Seed, His Sons He delighted in Prov. 8:31, which were already considered holy and without blame before Him in Love Eph. 1:4-7, by His transferring their sins upon Himself through the Blood of the Everlasting Covenant of Grace Heb. 13:20. So when Christ, the Surety of His Sheep John 10:15, was raised again as the Great Shepherd of the Sheep, they being In Union with Him were declared Justified Rom. 3:24; 4:25!
Absolutely correct!

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