Jesus Has Reconciled EVERYONE to God

beloved57

beloved57

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heir said:
Obeying in our case is faith.

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

Romans 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

it is Paul's gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV) that establishes the believer!

How does faith come?

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
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Those Christ died for are made righteous by His One act of obedience alone, apart from theirs Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

No type of obedience is requited to be saved from the penalty of sin, and Justified before God else Rom 5:19 b is a lie !
 
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Ben Masada

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beloved57 said:
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Thats True of men who are sinners themselves, not of Christ who was not a sinner. Now other sinners cant die for a sinner when they have their own sins to account for ! But Christ had no sin and He was the spotless sinless Lamb of God !
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How do you know? You have never met him. How do you know? The NT says that he was a sinner. (Mat. 23:13-33) He was a man upon earth for 33 years of his life and, the Tanach says that there has never been a man upon earth to have done only good and never sinned. (Eccles. 7:20)
 
beloved57

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Ben Masada said:
How do you know? You have never met him. How do you know? The NT says that he was a sinner. (Mat. 23:13-33) He was a man upon earth for 33 years of his life and, the Tanach says that there has never been a man upon earth to have done only good and never sinned. (Eccles. 7:20)
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I know by Faith , the Just live by Faith ! No Christ was not a sinner, you are a false witness!. Do you worship a golden calf as your god that bought you out of egypt ?
 
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Robert Pate

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Ben Masada said:
Jesus provided no reconciliation because, according to Jer. 31:30 and Ezek. 18:20, no one can die for the sins of another. Now, Prophet Isaiah's way to achieve salvation is when we accept reconciliation by setting things right with HaShem so that our sins from scarlet red, become as white as snow by way of repentance and return to the obedience of the Law of Yahweh. That's the method applied by Jesus in Mat. 5:23,24. That's called personal salvation. One must work on it daily because it is not free. (John 4:22)

The other kind is universal salvation which is free. That's the Abraham's method. Jesus referred to it as coming from the Jews aka the descendants of Abraham through Isaac. (John 4:22) Now, the universal salvation is effected as long as there is a Minyan of Ten adults male Jews on earth. (Gen. 18:32)
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You are suffering from a bad case of intitlement. You seem to think that because you are Jewish that you are imune from hell. Not so, but you will have to find that out for yourself.
 
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Robert Pate

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Cruciform said:
"For he will render to every man according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing [good works] seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life [salvation]; but for those who are factious [sectarian (!)] and do not obey the truth [works again], but obey wickedness [works], there will be wrath and fury" (Rom. 2:6-8).​


Since this text mentions works only, do you take it to mean that we are saved by works ALONE? Is that the way you read it? :think:

Or do you acknowledge that your "logic" in this matter is plainly false? (Read James 2:24 again.)



Gaudium de veritate,

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All who come to Christ as repentant sinners to be saved by him are sealed with the Holy Spirit.

It is the Holy Spirit working in the Christians life that will produce good works and the Christian life.

"For we are his workmanship, created in Jesus Christ unto good works, which God has ordained that we should walk in them" Ephesians 2:10.

Christians do good works because they are saved, not to be saved.
 
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Robert Pate said:
It is the Holy Spirit working in the Christians life that will produce good works and the Christian life.
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Agreed. Salvation is all of grace, including our works (acts of obedience) (Phil. 2:12-13).

Christians do good works because they are saved, not to be saved.
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Here you directly contradict the teaching of St. Paul in the text discussed in Post #45 above. Read Rom. 2:6-8 and James 2:24 again, more carefully this time.



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heir

heir

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Ben Masada said:
Jesus provided no reconciliation because, according to Jer. 31:30 and Ezek. 18:20, no one can die for the sins of another.
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You have a one way ticket unless you receive the love of the truth that you can be saved.

2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
 
beloved57

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heir said:
You have a one way ticket unless you receive the love of the truth that you can be saved.

2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
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Promoting salvation by works, by what a person does!
 
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Robert Pate

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Cruciform said:
Agreed. Salvation is all of grace, including our works (acts of obedience) (Phil. 2:12-13).


Here you directly contradict the teaching of St. Paul in the text discussed in Post #45 above. Read Rom. 2:6-8 and James 2:24 again, more carefully this time.



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Good works do not justify. Jesus Christ is the justifier, Romans 3:26.
 
beloved57

beloved57

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Robert Pate said:
Put your glasses on and read very carefully."Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

Did you get that?
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Since when do you believe what Paul wrote? You teach that a person is saved by what they do, which discounts Christ!
 
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beloved57 said:
Since when do you believe what Paul wrote? You teach that a person is saved by what they do, which discounts Christ!
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You are the most non-edifying poster on TOL. Besides that you need to study scripture before you accuse other posters of having wrong theology.
Do you believe that all who call upon the name of the Lord will be saved?
 
Nanja

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Bright Raven said:
You are the most non-edifying poster on TOL. Besides that you need to study scripture before you accuse other posters of having wrong theology.
Do you believe that all who call upon the name of the Lord will be saved?
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Actually, beloved57 is the most Spiritually Edifying poster on TOL
but you are spiritually unable to discern Truth when you see / hear it:
It's beyond your understanding, and all according to God's Will 2 Cor. 4:3-4KJV.


About calling upon the name of the Lord:

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4607641#post4607641#71

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Bright Raven

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Nanja said:
Actually, beloved57 is the most Spiritually Edifying poster on TOL
but you are spiritually unable to discern Truth when you see / hear it:
It's beyond your understanding, and all according to God's Will 2 Cor. 4:3-4KJV.


About calling upon the name of the Lord:

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4607641#post4607641#71

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1. No he is not. He is the most abrasive person on this sight outside of Let's Argue.

2. Regarding the link to your post. It is out of context. It says that the carnally minded can not call upon the name of the Lord. It does not say that the repentant can not call upon the name of the Lord.
 
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Robert Pate

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Nanja said:
Actually, beloved57 is the most Spiritually Edifying poster on TOL
but you are spiritually unable to discern Truth when you see / hear it:
It's beyond your understanding, and all according to God's Will 2 Cor. 4:3-4KJV.


About calling upon the name of the Lord:

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4607641#post4607641#71

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You are in complete denial that... "Faith comes by hearing the word of God" Romans 10:17 Which is the Gospel.

How were you saved? Did you just wakeup one morning and decided that you had been zapped by the Holy Spirit?

There is a big hole in your doctrine. ITS CALLED THE GOSPEL.
 
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