Suggestions and laws are shared.
Which does not rebut what I said.
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Who said anything about suggestions?
God's commands are God's, not man's.
I suppose with that logic you could say that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are one "human" in three persons.Can't be refuted by making the point that they are not the same person. The "One God in three persons" statement is not a claim that they are "the same person".
Saying it doesn't make it so... Yes, that is EXACTLY how grammar works.
Exactly, WHATEVER JESUS SPOKE, was just as the Father had told him.JR said:Jesus Himself defined what it applies to:
For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak.” - John 12:49-50 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John12:49-50&version=N
Yes.JR said:Was Jesus just "following orders" when He claimed the commandments (plural) as "My commandments"?
Yes.JR said:Or did He mean what He said
Not quite. You tried to slip in "truely being his" as if that's actually stated, and we both know it's not. Jesus and Moses BOTH gave their commandments to Israel, and BOTH of them were TOLD to give the commandments, and WHAT to command, by Jehovah/YHVH God, Christ's Father.JR said:, the commandments (plural) truly being His..
Of course not. Jesus said his Father is "the ONLY true God".JR said:because He is God, as all the commandments are God's.
so?
the bible dose say
Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
my point is the commandments are God's commandments which Jesus claims are his commandments
therefore Jesus is God
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
my point is only God is lord of the sabbath and Jesus claims to be Lord of the sabbath
therefore Jesus is God
Jesus is our Lord and as such is worthy of worship.why do people who don't believe Jesus is God worship him or do they ?
People who don't know what the phrase "Son of" means simply don't know.Those who refuse to worship Jesus Christ as Lord and God simply don't know God.
If you don't know Jesus is the Son of God, you just don't know.If you don't know Jesus is God you don't know Jesus
When people misunderstood Jesus and mistakenly thought that Jesus was claiming that He was God, Jesus corrected them and told them that His claim is that He is the Son of God.Jesus specifically said he was God, so you are wrong. PERIOD!!
John 10:33-36 33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? |
You don't seem to know what divinity is.Denying the Divinity of Christ is heresy.
There is nothing in the Bible that makes that claim.Jesus is fully God and fully man, two natures perfectly joined into one person.
By contrast, the Scriptures ONLY state that Jesus is THE SON OF God.
Here, you're denying (among other things) that the Scriptures state that Jesus' heavenly Father IS God.
Do you believe Moses was lying when he said this?are you asserting that God told Jesus to lie about calling the commandments "My commandments", when they are actually the Father's commandments?
Are you calling God AND Jesus liars?
Exodus 20:2 2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. |
Was Moses a liar for calling the law "my commandments" and saying "I am the LORD"?Was Jesus a liar for calling the law "My commandments"?
Leviticus 22:31 31 Therefore shall ye keep my commandments, and do them: I am the Lord. |
- Do you call more than one person "Jesus"? Yes or No?
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People who don't know what the phrase "Son of" means simply don't know.
Was Moses a liar for calling the law "my commandments" and saying "I am the LORD"?
Leviticus 22:31
31 Therefore shall ye keep my commandments, and do them: I am the Lord.
I am stating the meaning of the passage. It is talking about the mind of Jesus, his character, not shrinking God the Son into the womb of Mary. There was not a Deity in the womb of Mary, and Jesus was a child that grew in wisdom Luke 2:52, and thus he did not have two minds, the mind of a child, and the mind of a Deity. The “form of God” is an allusion to the creation of man, who was made in the image and after the likeness of God Genesis 1:26-27, and a little lower than the angels Psalm 8:5. Before his ministry Jesus had attained to the moral glory of God His Father, he was full of grace and truth John 1:14. Unlike Adam and Eve who grasped at equality with God, Jesus did not grasp at this equality Philippians 2:6, but humbled himself and became obedient unto death Philippians 2:8.I'm looking for you to put forth a little bit more effort than just stating your worldview.
There is no mention of a so-called “incarnation”. I will let you state your language view, but please note that the word “form” in the “form of God” and the “form of a servant” is the same word, while the NIV ignores this, and obscures the meaning of this passage. I assume you endorse the NIV view. The “form of God” and “form of a servant” is speaking concerning his mind and disposition of mind, not a contrast between two physical entities, a Deity in heaven and a man on earth as claimed by Trinitarians.Please actually address the Greek, tell us about the incarnation verbs employed, and then please discuss the OT reference to which it applies.
As a result God the Father has exalted Jesus, and when we bow in reverence and worship before Jesus it is to the glory of God the Father.
Kind regards
Trevor
You seem confused here.Uhmmm, Trevor....Jesus IS The Glory of God The Father!
I worship and bow the knee to Jesus, the Son of God, to the glory of God the Father Philippians 2:10-11.Thus, you just admitted that you worship Jesus!
You did not respond or comment on my explanation of Philippians 2, but instead come up with this shallow diversion.Trev....please get off the babies milk and step up to solid scripture...