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Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?

Clete

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To believe that God created a huge debris field between Mars and Jupiter during the six days of Creation, without even a single shred of evidence to support that idea, seems pretty far fetched to me.
Why? It's just another way in which a large amount of material can exist in a stable orbit around the Sun. Why is it any more incredible than having another planet there? Ceres is big enough to be considered a planet and, in fact it is a so called "Dwarf planet". It's 940 kilometers across. Do you suppose it was out there by itself and all this debris just happened to end up in roughly the same orbit or do you believe that it too is a piece of the Earth that was ejected when Noah's flood started? Do you have any concept at all of the energy it would take to launch a rock that's almost 600 miles across, even into low Earth orbit, never mind an orbit that's 3 times as far from the Sun as we are?

Perhaps you don't believe that it was sent out in one big mass, perhaps you think that Ceres is gravitationally collecting material from the asteroid belt and has grown to its current size over the last 4000 years. Such an idea borrows from theories about "cosmological evolution" where planetary systems slowly accrete material from vast clouds of gas, dust an debris. The problem with that, as I suspect you know, is that once objects get past a certain size, they don't collide and stick together anymore. They collide and smash each other back into smaller pieces.

In either case, you'd have to believe something similar, only on a very much larger scale for the Pluto, which has no similarly accompanying asteroid belt to accrete from. It just has 5 moons, one of which is nearly the same size as Pluto itself, all of which would have had to have left Earth together and principally intact in their current form.

Further, if Walt's theory is correct, there is no way that Pluto and the material in the asteroid belt accounts for anywhere near all of the material that would have gotten ejected into space. What exists today would be but a tiny fraction of that material which happen to find itself in a stable orbit. The Earth itself would have been showered for years and years with debris falling back to earth and it would have had a ring system for some lengthy period of time until all of that material was either ejected out of the solar system, or collected gravitationally by both the Earth and the moon, which there is precisely ZERO evidence for. Such evidence, by the way, would present itself as a bulge around the equator of the Moon and a large number of <4000 year old impact craters on Earth.

OR you can believe that God created Ceres, the asteroid belt and Pluto the way they exist.
 

Clete

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Yes, I have. RD is correct in what he said. It doesn't support your position as well as you think. d
Oh, yes it does!

Pluto and its five moons would have had to leave the Earth together, in close proximity with each other and in just such a way as to end up in almost perfectly circular and very very stable orbits. The three-body problem demonstrates how entirely impossible such an idea is. It flat out did not happen that way, and it is precisely the three-body problem that proves it.

The alternative is to believe that Plato and it's moons accreted their mass from a large collection of widely dispersed material (i.e. a ring) similar to the asteroid belt, and it all eventually settled into these neat orbits. That's a nice idea, but, even if it were possible, which it isn't, there wouldn't have been nearly enough time for it to happen. Pluto has orbited the Sun less that 17 times since Noah's flood occurred.

There is no third alternative other than that God created it the way it is, which you have no more reason to doubt than you have for doubting that God created the moons of Jupiter or the whole planet Mercury for that matter (which is a mere 5.5% of mass of Earth).
 
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