Is there a risk of death from the covid vaccine?

Gary K

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You mustn't have looked very hard and are rather clueless. Here are a couple of references:

"US President Trump has told US drug regulators to accelerate emergency authorization of the BioNTech-Pfizer vaccine..."


"President Trump lashed out anew at the Food and Drug Administration in a Friday morning tweet, attacking the agency’s commissioner, Dr. Stephen M. Hahn, by name for not approving a Covid-19 vaccine faster."


And here is a recent quote directly from Trump during his recent political rally in Ohio:

"When the virus arrived, we produced three vaccines in record time, they said it would take three years to five years. We got it done in less than nine months. Record, record, record time...Remember when they wouldn’t report that the vaccine was effective before the election? Right after the election, oh, the big vaccine story, it was the greatest thing ever. But before, they wouldn’t report it, they wouldn’t report it..."

That does not affirm your claim that Trump ordered no animal testing. Nowhere do your quotes say Trump ordered no animal testing done. You're being deceptive once again.
 

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That does not affirm your claim that Trump ordered no animal testing. Nowhere do your quotes say Trump ordered no animal testing done.
Nowhere did I say what you are saying I said. All I said was that Trump ordered the FDA to put the vaccines on fast-track for approval, which they did. But the testing was also done. You are now 0 for 3.
 

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Tennessee’s COVID-19 deaths now almost all among the
unvaccinated


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...eaths-involve-unvaccinated-people/7856564002/
 

marke

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We are talking past one another and I no longer care about COVID enough to debate it any longer.

As for the above quote, I wasn't suggesting that other countries were still on lock down because lock downs work but because they don't have the vaccine. In other words, the vaccine obviously works. All you have to do is look at the numbers in the US which are down over 90%. The vaccine is the only thing that was ever going to work and it works beautifully and all one has to do is spend maybe 30 seconds to find the numbers to prove it. Those who don't believe it, don't want to believe it and won't ever believe it no matter what. Those countries that don't have the vaccine are still scared out of their rational minds over COVID and so they have to do something and the natural tendency of the left is command and control, therefore, lock downs are still in place in spite of an entire globe's worth of absolute proof that they did exactly nothing at all to help prevent the spread of the disease.
Researchers have reported that lockdowns did not work well. Read the science:

A little-noticed study says government orders to “shelter in place” during the COVID-19 fight did not save lives and spurred an uptick in excess deaths in some places, especially overseas.
Researchers from the RAND Corporation and the University of Southern California studied excess mortality from all causes, the virus or otherwise, in 43 countries and the 50 U.S. states that imposed shelter-in-place, or “SIP,” policies.
In short, the orders didn’t work.
“We fail to find that SIP policies saved lives. To the contrary, we find a positive association between SIP policies and excess deaths. We find that following the implementation of SIP policies, excess mortality increases,” the researchers said in a working paper for the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER).
 

marke

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Tennessee’s COVID-19 deaths now almost all among the
unvaccinated

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...eaths-involve-unvaccinated-people/7856564002/
There is no longer any reason to strip Americans of their Constitutional right to choose whether to take the vaccine or not. If there are those who believe the vaccine is the only protection from covid then let them take the vaccine and leave everyone else alone. The promoters of the vaccine claim that those vaccinated cannot be infected by covid, so why must they insist everyone in the world think as they do and take the vaccine for themselves as well? If someone refuses the vaccine then it should be no skin off the backs of those who do take the vaccine.
 

marke

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Either that is a lie or you're an ignoramus. Take your pick.
You think? Let me ask you, therefore, if you are vaccinated can you still be infected with covid by someone who is not vaccinated? If you can then what does that tell us about the experimental covid vaccines?
 

Clete

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Researchers have reported that lockdowns did not work well. Read the science:

A little-noticed study says government orders to “shelter in place” during the COVID-19 fight did not save lives and spurred an uptick in excess deaths in some places, especially overseas.
Researchers from the RAND Corporation and the University of Southern California studied excess mortality from all causes, the virus or otherwise, in 43 countries and the 50 U.S. states that imposed shelter-in-place, or “SIP,” policies.
In short, the orders didn’t work.
“We fail to find that SIP policies saved lives. To the contrary, we find a positive association between SIP policies and excess deaths. We find that following the implementation of SIP policies, excess mortality increases,” the researchers said in a working paper for the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER).
It isn't that they didn't work well, its that they didn't work at all.

Vaccines were the only thing that was ever going to work and they are working beautifully! They are actively saving thousands of lives by preventing hundreds of thousands of infections while you come here and try to scare everyone away from using them.
 

marke

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It isn't that they didn't work well, its that they didn't work at all.

Vaccines were the only thing that was ever going to work and they are working beautifully! They are actively saving thousands of lives by preventing hundreds of thousands of infections while you come here and try to scare everyone away from using them.
I cannot believe Dr. Fauci and Biden trust the vaccine to make them immune from covid because both of them insist all Americans should continue to wear masks whether they are vaccinated or not. It seems that once stupidity and ignorance take root in a leftist the foolishness cannot be cured.
 

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"FDA defies Trump to publish rigorous vaccine development guidelines"


"If Trump bypassed the FDA on a COVID-19 vaccine it could 'upend' the traditional approval structure and erode the public's trust in the executive agency, expert says"

Due to the urgent need for a vaccine in a surging pandemic, Pfizer and Moderna were given approval to simultaneously test their vaccines on animals while they were conducting Phase 1 trials on humans. The vaccines were tested on mice and macaques.

“They overlapped preclinical studies with the early phases of the trials,” said Dr. William Moss, executive director for the International Vaccine Access Center at Johns Hopkins University. “In fact one of the reasons we are even talking about vaccines now just 10 months later is that some of the phases in which vaccine development normally occurs were overlapped rather than done sequentially.”

 

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"FDA defies Trump to publish rigorous vaccine development guidelines"


"If Trump bypassed the FDA on a COVID-19 vaccine it could 'upend' the traditional approval structure and erode the public's trust in the executive agency, expert says"

Due to the urgent need for a vaccine in a surging pandemic, Pfizer and Moderna were given approval to simultaneously test their vaccines on animals while they were conducting Phase 1 trials on humans. The vaccines were tested on mice and macaques.

“They overlapped preclinical studies with the early phases of the trials,” said Dr. William Moss, executive director for the International Vaccine Access Center at Johns Hopkins University. “In fact one of the reasons we are even talking about vaccines now just 10 months later is that some of the phases in which vaccine development normally occurs were overlapped rather than done sequentially.”

There's a reason that they are supposed to be done sequentially.
 

marke

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"FDA defies Trump to publish rigorous vaccine development guidelines"


"If Trump bypassed the FDA on a COVID-19 vaccine it could 'upend' the traditional approval structure and erode the public's trust in the executive agency, expert says"

Due to the urgent need for a vaccine in a surging pandemic, Pfizer and Moderna were given approval to simultaneously test their vaccines on animals while they were conducting Phase 1 trials on humans. The vaccines were tested on mice and macaques.

“They overlapped preclinical studies with the early phases of the trials,” said Dr. William Moss, executive director for the International Vaccine Access Center at Johns Hopkins University. “In fact one of the reasons we are even talking about vaccines now just 10 months later is that some of the phases in which vaccine development normally occurs were overlapped rather than done sequentially.”

Not to worry. There are millions of trial subjects available to finish the human tests on the unproven covid vaccine. All the government has to do is beg, order, compel, or bribe the test subjects into getting the vaccine so the side effects can be noted. The problem seems to be nobody is tracking the dangerous side effects the way those effects should be tracked and reported.
 

Clete

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I cannot believe Dr. Fauci and Biden trust the vaccine to make them immune from covid because both of them insist all Americans should continue to wear masks whether they are vaccinated or not. It seems that once stupidity and ignorance take root in a leftist the foolishness cannot be cured.
Why do you decry that situation in others without guarding against it in yourself?
 

marke

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That depends on how one analyzes the propaganda. Some say there is no connection between covid vaccines and the deaths of those who died shortly after receiving the vaccine. There are others who say we should take the vaccine for everyone else's benefit if not for our own. There are others who say the government should shut down and/or restrict the movements of those who refuse to take the vaccine. But what are the facts?

I found this. People dying from unknown causes shortly after taking the vaccine while officials supporting the government narratives insist they see no apparent link between the vaccine and the resulting deaths.

Here are quotes:


A few countries have reported deaths following administration of COVID-19 vaccines, but medical specialists have found no evidence of a connection to the inoculations.

Norwegian officials were the first to report people dying after being inoculated, saying in mid-January that 33 people age 75 and older had died a short time after receiving the COVID vaccine from Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE.

The U.K.’s Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency reported that as of Jan. 24, there were 143 deaths shortly after injections with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and another from AstraZeneca Plc, mainly in elderly people or those with underlying illness, and that there’s no suggestion the vaccines played a role.

And in the U.S., the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said that as of Feb. 7, there were 1,170 reported deaths among people who received either the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine or another from Moderna Inc., a rate of 0.003%, and no evidence suggests a link.
Can health officials be wrong? Of course. Fauci certainly was. Will health officials lie? Fauci certainly did. Will health officials do people wrong? Fauci certainly did, as did these medical professionals in India.

At least 14 people were arrested and an Indian private hospital was cordoned off by police amid an investigation into an alleged vaccination scam that may have affected thousands of people.
“They were using saline water and injecting it,” said Vishal Thakur, a senior official of the Mumbai police department, according to CNN. He was referring to the alleged scam.
“Every fake vaccination camp that they held, they were doing this.”
He said that about 2,500 people received fake COVID-19 vaccines in 12 sites near Mumbai. Reports indicated that the organizers included medical professionals, and they charged between $10 and $17 per COVID-19 shot.
“We have arrested doctors,” Thakur told CNN. “They were using a hospital which was producing the fake certificates, vials, syringes.”
 

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Not to worry. There are millions of trial subjects available to finish the human tests on the unproven covid vaccine. All the government has to do is beg, order, compel, or bribe the test subjects into getting the vaccine so the side effects can be noted.
Or, they could take volunteers. Which is what they did.

And as for side effects of the vaccine...deaths and severe illnesses from COVID-19 are now almost exclusively among the unvaccinated.
 
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