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"God does not make brand spankin' new things that look old!"
http://www.playjunkie.com/quizzes/1546?page=-1
Sorry, don't mean any derailment whatsoever but couldn't help it!
(Besides, it seems to lend credence to the OP suggestion in some strange way).
CherubRam
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The age of the Universe is almost 14 billion years old, measured by the speed of light. The earth is much younger. The bible speaks of the creation days as epochs of time, not literal days.
Interplanner
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Or is there rather the appearance of not so much age because...there is not so much? The fuzzy S shape of galaxies should actually be concentric circles with varying degrees of brightness if they are 14B.
The normal meaning of the days in Gen 1 is the same as ours. There is only one other possible angle in the language that could allow other time, in the expressions of v2.
But before we get to this, from 'all' that we know about heaven in the Revelation, etc., does God need physical things to exist?
The normal meaning of the days in Gen 1 is the same as ours. There is only one other possible angle in the language that could allow other time, in the expressions of v2.
But before we get to this, from 'all' that we know about heaven in the Revelation, etc., does God need physical things to exist?
Interplanner
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I'm inclined to agree except I hold on to some 10-11K data for the following reasons:
1, even conservative Dr. F. Schaeffer allowed for about 10K because of certain expressions about 'the generations of...' in Hebrew. There can be skips. He documents it from Kings and Chronicles.
2, Niagara, Lake Missoula and Lake Morse are all ice-dam collapses that are frequently dated to be about 9K and with about 1700 in Genesis from creation to the flood/cataclysm (and 1730 in the Mayan calendar for the same thing), we are roughly at 11K. The polar ice cores are also 'dusty' at about 9K, which makes sense due to the cataclysm, and which also means there are years where many layers could be counted (the assumption of 1 per year is not founded).
According to the Bible, what is listed as the time duration for a day. This is on the first page if you are not sure.
Why not 7700 years?
Epoisses
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It was roughly 2000 years from creation to Abraham, 2000 years from him to Christ and 2000 years since.
Millions of years could never happen for so many reasons including population, magnetic field and natural resources.
In the last 200 years the population has gone from 1 billion to 7 billion plus people which means that Jesus will be coming in the next 10 to 20 years because that kind of growth rate is unsustainable. Or at the very least global war over resources will break out.
Interplanner
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Do you mean 6000 since Noah's cataclysm and about 1700 before that? Interesting (because of 1700 from creation to cataclysm in Genesis and Mayan records), but not satisfactory about Niagara, Missoula, Morse and ice cores.
Interplanner
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Good points in the middle paragraph; spell it out in more detail. There are also the things that would not be/look as they are if in the millions (the S shaped galaxies, the salinity of earth's oceans, the depletion of helium, etc.)
Greg Jennings
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Do explain
"God does not make brand spankin' new things that look old!"
http://www.playjunkie.com/quizzes/1546?page=-1
Sorry, don't mean any derailment whatsoever but couldn't help it!
(Besides, it seems to lend credence to the OP suggestion in some strange way).
iamaberean
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A day is as a thousand years with the Lord. When the thousand is not qualified with a number, it is an unknown length of time.
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iamaberean
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Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
No length of time in Gen 1:1 is given. Could be billions of years old.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
First God created, then it was made without form and void. Many speculate that God had created the heavens billions of years ago and then destroyed it because of rebellion in heaven. It doesn't say for sure, but it could explain the age.
No length of time in Gen 1:1 is given. Could be billions of years old.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
First God created, then it was made without form and void. Many speculate that God had created the heavens billions of years ago and then destroyed it because of rebellion in heaven. It doesn't say for sure, but it could explain the age.
Analogically, if science can determine that a 25-year-old man is 25 years old, and science determines that the universe is 13.7 billion years old and that the earth is 4.5 billions years old, then these are the apparent age of the earth and the universe.
Exodus says it took God six days to make everything though, and it only took Him one day to make Adam.
CherubRam
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I see what you are saying, let me give it some thought.
The video was horribly uninformed. The dynamo theory has more evidence against it than for it, the zircon crystal dates include a great deal of inconsistency and thus can only be speculative, and the CRI graph is measuring the ability of the electromagnetic field to protect the earth (please note, that if the strength of the field ever did go down enough to allow onto earth all the sun throws at it, it would be an extinction event at the time frames given by those that believe in common descent).
In short, Mr. Reed is just plain wrong and there is still no answer for how the magnetic field was made or is maintained on the earth, much less all the other planets that have a magnetic field as well.
But then again, you and Mr. Reed believe in common descent as a religion despite the science and thus you'll believe any story that makes you feel better about your belief.