annabenedetti
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The video I posted clearly shows the first shot, and where the agent was standing.
ICE agent shoots a driver.
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The video I posted clearly shows the first shot, and where the agent was standing.
annabenedetti
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No, he was not. Look at my video in post 15 again (or for the first time) specifically from the 2:34 mark. He is not hit.
She didn't do that. She clearly was turning away from him. And obviously after being shot, lost control of her vehicle.
It certainly was for her.
No. What's false is labeling her a domestic terrorist.
Video? And even so, unless you live in a totalitarian state, it is not a capital offense, to be tried and executed on the spot.
The position of the hole in the windshield doesn't make your case the way you think it does.
annabenedetti
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Because she'd recently moved there from the KCMO area.
You can see it in the video. I won't respond to Anna's fake outrage knowing she never protests murders until it is convenient.
In no world do I see probable cause to start shooting someone because she is running from the law and her violation is unlawful protest and obstruction. I would have him executed. And the cop that murdered the woman in the Capitol. Many officers should not be in law enforcement. This has nothing to do with an administration.
Derf
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Of course it does. Would the Biden admin have been deporting folks from Minneapolis? If you don't try to stop perpetrators, then people don't get killed by cops...they get killed by criminals. This is unfortunate, for sure. But it will be overblown by the left and covered up by the right. A proper investigation is essential, but I don't see how you can fault the officer.
Is she a domestic terrorist? Probably not, though she was on the side of domestic terrorists.
Psalm 1:1 KJV — Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
I can, it isn't an isolated incident. There are way to many dirty officers in this country.
Derf
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You would fault this particular officer in this particular instance because of "dirty officers in the country"? Isn't that why they do investigations? Or would you also say that investigations would come to the wrong conclusions because there are too many dirty officers in the country?
Again, watch the slow mo video here:
(@annabenedetti read from here)
She's backing up. Officer in front becomes visible. She comes to a stop. Officer is still in front of her. 5 seconds into the video.
She's in the process of turning her wheels right, but they're still a good 10-15 degrees to the left of center. She puts it in drive. She lurches forwards because her tires slip, 6-7 seconds into the video, but that's enough movement that the officer, who is still in front of her, decides at that point draws his gun and opens fire, 8 seconds in, once before she hits him, then she strikes him, 11 seconds, then he continues firing as she tries to drive away still turning her wheel, but at that point, she's already been hit and the rest of her turning the wheel is (at this point likely) due to a dead-man's grip on the wheel, pulling it to the right as she slumps. She's dead before her car impacts the other vehicle a ways down the street.
Watch at half or quarter speed.
She tried to run him over, at least from his perspective.
And that's enough legal justification for him to pull his gun and start shooting.
I posted a video that is slowed down. She puts it in drive with her wheels to left of center, skids because of the ice, at which point the officer opens fire, THEN at that point her steers are centered.
Doesn't matter.
Officer had to make a split second decision the moment she started moving forwards.
And he had been dragged by another criminal just 6 months prior, so I can't blame him for pulling the trigger instead of not.
And here's another officer who WAS killed by someone who tried to run with an officer in front of them:
Supra.
Saying "No" doesn't change the fact that it wasn't murder.
It's akin to a child stomping his foot and yelling "NO!" when his parents tell him to clean his room.
The fact is, she was being detained, she was not free to go, and at the very least, tried to flee while an officer was in front of her vehicle, and the officer at that point is well within his rights to shoot her.
Impeding federal agents during their lawful duties is a crime.
She tried to run an officer over, that makes it a violent crime.
Doing so for political reasons makes it terrorism.
That it's in the USA makes it domestic terrorism.
She's clearly blocking the road with her vehicle. The officers approach her to detain her. She tries to flee and gets shot.
No one is saying the officer was executing justice as though he were a judge.
It was self defence by the officer.
The fact that she tried to run him over is attempted murder. If we had a just legal system, it WOULD be a capital offence, and the just punishment for that is the death penalty.
But we don't have a just legal system.
We have one that's completely broken, which has resulted in people thinking that doing things like this (not to mention the reason the ICE agents were there in the first place, investigating illegal immigrants/fraud) is not only okay, but justified.
And the fact that the agent had been dragged before by someone he had tried to detain, I can't blame him for being skittish.
Yes, it does, Anna, it shows that he shot at her from in front of her vehicle, almost directly in front of her.
About where that other officer (see above) was standing when she was run over and killed by the criminal she was trying to stop.
It's not without precedent.
See the x.com link above from memeticsisyphus.
Unjustly.
There are plenty of bad cops.
This one is not one of them.
Then why wasn't she at home?
Instead, she was out impeding federal investigations.
ok doser
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Listening to Beck this morning and he was commenting on how they're trying to make her into the next George Floyd. The next martyr. And how difficult a time they're having because she's a white woman.
You can clearly see her strike the officer from this view.
ok doser
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Vogel claims that she was driving away from - not toward - the officer when he opened fire.
Vogel fails to account for the bullet through the front of the windshield.
That has nothing to do with the following, which is my point. In a G rated example of someone who has no business in law enforcement, I suspect he is actually big trouble all the time. Before the dashcam got popular. He had no reason to stop "James". None. This is a huge problem in this country. Cops don't become psychopaths, psychopaths go to become police. So they can dominate other people.
No, I am bringing to the attention that there are many in law enforcement who should be nowhere near a badge. In no version does she try to run him over. She is fleeing, and it is obvious. And she was there to start trouble. Nobody is saying otherwise.
Idolater
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I saw this footage earlier today as well. It's conclusive. He actually got hit. No indictment, not even an arrest, nor any discipline for him.
Derf
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In the version where she is moving when there is an officer in front of the car, it appears, if only for an instance, that she is trying to run him over. Remember that the officer didn't get to review the videotape several times before deciding to take deadly action against another deadly action. And that's the version we're discussing.
Derf
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I'm not disagreeing that there are bad police officers, all over the country. But that doesn't mean that all officers all over the country are bad, and you can't pre-judge the guy with that criterion.