Can you just explain to me in what you mean by saying Jesus died spiritually, in what way? Thanks
Firstly Jesus has never sinned
Jamie I will answer your questions, but can you just explain to me what you mean by Jesus died spiritually? How? In what way? Thanks
Sin wasn't imputed into Jesus at all, there was no sin in Jesus and he never sinned, Jesus became sin for us by coming into this sinful flesh, but he didn't ever sin and no sin was in him in any way whatsoever.Yes, that was the plan.
However, was sin imputed to Jesus?
"For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him." (2 Corinthians 5:21)
What is the penalty for sin? Is it a stubbed toe? Is it a sore arm?
Or is it death?
Is it physical death shared by humans and animals?
Or is it spiritual death shared by humans and angels?
I can honestly say I that I've never ever read that Jesus was spiritually separated from the father, when do you believe that this happened?I have and I will.
Spiritual death is separation from the Father.
Physical death is temporary, spiritual death is normally permanent.
In Jesus' case spiritual death was for others, not for himself.
He did nothing that was worthy of death.
Because he was actually innocent his life was restored.
Did Jesus die? According to your theology death is not death, but life.
I am not disappointed in me nor is God, for I did Romans 10:9 I confessed with my mouth the lord Jesus and believe in my heart that God raised him from the dead.
God raised him from the dead, because if he was not raised from the dead, he would still be dead, lifeless.
II Corinthians 4:14
" Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you."
God raised up the Lord Jesus and it will be God that shall raise up us as well
There is no reason to raise someone from the dead if they are still alive, now is there?
II Corinthians 5:6-8
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
Paul was willing to be absent from the body and present with the Lord.
Does those verses say that once we are absent from the body, we are immediately present with the Lord?
No, if it did, it would contradict I Thessalonians 4:13-18
But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
especially verse 17 the last phrase
"and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
The dead in Christ shall rise first, then we which are alive and remain shall be caught together with them ...
SO, shall we ever be with the Lord
How shall we be present with the Lord, what meets the criteria of "SO shall we ever be with the Lord"
"SO" in that manner, not in any other manner.
When Jesus Christ returns to gather us up, Paul is not there now. Paul is dead, He is not with the Lord, He will not be with the Lord until the dead in Christ rise from the dead.
How much plainer could God make it?
Sin wasn't imputed into Jesus at all, there was no sin in Jesus and he never sinned, Jesus became sin for us by coming into this sinful flesh, but he didn't ever sin and no sin was in him in any way whatsoever.
Full wrath of God? Which verse says that Jesus suffered the full wrath of God on the cross?Jesus Christ bore the sins of His people on the cross, and there He suffered the full wrath of God unto physical death, for those sins.
This was a sacrificial and vicarious blood offering on His part, to appease all legal Judgment under the Law.
Your not explaining properly, where does it say in the bible that sin was imputed into Jesus? Jesus had absolutely no sin in him at all!
Jamie, Jesus knew no sin, but he became sin for us by coming to this world and into this sinful flesh to bare witness to the truth and preach the gospel and save as many as he could through believing in him and in the gospel. But he had no sin in him, and he never sinned, that's how he overcame satan and the world, by never ever sinning. And he is our example to follow."For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us" (2 Corinthians 5:21)
Did Jesus bear the sin of others? Or not?
How do you read it?
Jesus was a living sacrifice, he sacrificed his whole life for God.I did not say Jesus sinned.
Was the Lamb of God not sacrificed?
Do Passover lambs sin?
Is the brain a part of the mind? What gives the brain intellect?
"For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him?"
(1 Corinthians 2:11)
The human spirit provides human intellect.
However, to know God requires an additional spirit, God's Spirit.
"Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God." (1 Corinthians 2:11-12)
The Spirit who is from God is Christ.
"These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things." (John 14:25-26)
Jesus Christ is our Helper.
Those who don't have Christ's Spirit are not his.
"But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His." (Romans 8:9)
"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul." (Genesis 2:7 KJV)
Adam didn't have a soul, Adam became a living soul. A soul is a living being.
When Adam stopped breathing he became a dead soul.
"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living being. (Genesis 2:7)