How To Get To Heaven When You Die

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Wow

 

[Bladerunner]

I'm going to take a crack at this. Please don't make me regret doing so...

Hello Clete: it has been a minute or two since we last spoke. Good to hear from you.

Right off the bat the errant premise presents itself. Which is it, Bladerunner, His body or His Bride? I can't be both (an analogy made by Paul not withstanding, by the way.

The Church Saints are His Body. His Bride, a parallel of the Leverite Marriage answers many questions throughout both testaments about Jesus. Not sure what you are referring to when speaking of the 'anology of Peter'.

Israel is the Bride of Christ, we are NOT Israel, we are the Body of Christ. These are not the same thing. Thinking they are the same thing leads to confusion and errors. Errors such as denial of the rapture, for example.

Israel is not the Bride of Christ. She (Israel) is the wife of 'The Father', a divorced wife at this dispensation. The Remnant of Israel (Rev 12:6) yet to come, will be reunited with 'The Father' through the mediator, Jesus Christ.

(I find out several minutes after reading this first line of yours that you do not deny the rapture. I'm leaving the above intact because I cannot reconcile the contradiction.)

Yes, the Rapture will be a future event that will happen according to the Word of GOD.

This is false - as stated. It is grace that kept Adam and Eve alive to produce the human race and it is true, albeit irrelevant that Abraham didn't know the law of Moses but lots and lots of people did and do know the law of Moses!

Through God's Grace, we are alive. we have rain, we have sunshine. God's Judgement(s) was handed down to all men through Adam. As far back as Cain and Abel, we can surmise that God's rules (commandments) were well known. However, when I speak of Moses, I am speaking of the 630+ laws set out for Israel, both civil and religious. God's 7 out of 10 commandments, showed the world what sin was but at the same time, it increased the sins of mankind. How? Because of man's sin nature and free will, these commandments represented a border to crossed by most all. p.s. the other 3 commandments were and still are ceremonial in nature and is not obeyed in present times.

Why is Abraham and not Moses pointed to as the father of the whole household of faith? Because God entered into TWO covenants with Abraham. In the first Abraham sacrificed a whole bunch of animals, splitting them in two and placing half on one side and half on the other. Then God put Abraham into a deep sleep and passed through the sacrifice ALONE. This is the covenant of grace. Abraham had no terms to meet in this covenant because he was unconscious when it was consummated.

Yet, God swore to Himself making the covenant everlasting and cannot be taken away from Israel.
This is known to myself and others as the Abrahamic Covenant.

In the second, the covenant of circumcision, I can assure you that not only was Abraham FULLY awake but the covenant had a very distinct work of the flesh THAT WAS REQUIRED! Moses comes along and, under the same covenant, adds the Ten Commandments and from there the entire rest of the law was added, all of which was just as required as circumcision, which came first because it, being a physical cutting off of the flesh, is symbolic of the whole law, it being a cutting off of our fleshly desires. We can know for maybe just shy of a thousand reasons that obedience to the law was required but what has to be the clearest proof is the fact that God was coming to kill Moses himself because he had failed to circumcise his son. That sort of makes obedience to the law come off as being required to me!

was no aware of a Circumcision Covenant??

So which is it, Bladerunner? Is there a rapture or not? Just what is it you think the rapture is if no one is removed from the Earth? Just were are we going to be after we get raptured?

Yes, there will be a Rapture Event.Don't know when it wil happen but happen it will, I am certain of that. Only the Church Saints both dead and alive are removed from the earth to heaven (Throne Room). God's word tells us that when we die, if we are in Jesus, our spirit will be with Him always.

That gospel will be practically identical to that preached by Peter in Acts 2...

Acts 2:36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”​

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38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”​

Are we speaking of the Everlasting Gospel Rev 14:6? This will be heralded by an Angel, the two witnesses and the 144,000 Jewish Ministers. Those at this time who come to believe in Jesus will have to be martyred by (most) losing their heads in His Name. These tribulation saints will be Redeemed to Heaven toward the end of Daniel's 70th week.

Have a great Thursday.

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[Bladerunner]

Still missing the point.

Try again.

According to Clete, it is many things I have missed...still not sure which one or group.

 

[JudgeRightly]

According to Clete, it is many things I have missed...still not sure which one or group.

I strongly recommend obtaining a copy of Bob Enyart's book (or seminar, if you're someone who prefers listening over reading) "The Plot - An Overview of the Bible is the Key to its Details."

The book (second edition) can be found here:

The Plot

science, philosophy, theology, morality, criminal justice, the Bible, apologetics

store.kgov.com

And you can find the seminar here:

The Plot: Audio Set

science, philosophy, theology, morality, criminal justice, the Bible, apologetics

store.kgov.com

(You can buy the CDs individually, but I recommend getting it all at once.)

Of course, NONE of these materials are necessary to understanding the Bible. You need only the Bible and to set aside the time to read it.

But these materials make understanding it much easier, thus the recommendation.