Honest struggles on God’s omniscience.

[Nick M]

God wanted us to know Adam named the animals

Is that what the text says?

 

[way 2 go]

“They will not do otherwise” is not the same thing as “they cannot do otherwise.”

That distinction matters.

they are going to sin they are not going to repent , prophesied in scripture .
either you believe it or you don't
but you can't change it
“they cannot do otherwise.”

Reposting the same Revelation passages does not strengthen your argument.

You have shown that Revelation says they did not repent.

No one denies that.

What you have not shown is that Revelation is prewritten history, or that their non-repentance was eternally fixed before they existed.

God wrote it past tense

why are you saying it has to be written before the foundation of the world "And they did not repent of their deeds."
2000 years before they existed not enough

Revelation says they did not repent. I accept that.

do you accept that they won't repent ?

But it does not say they were incapable of repenting. It does not say they had no genuine alternative. It does not say the future was exhaustively settled.

it says "And they did not repent of their deeds."
[21] And they did not repent of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

deeds , judgement and non-repentance past tense

appeal to silence

with that logic Jesus is not God because he did not say " I am God "

Neither.

My claim is that they have free will, and they will not repent.

so God's exhaustive infallible foreknowledge is no longer a problem.

A will is the ability to choose.

God's exhaustive infallible foreknowledge says they chose not to repent

So on my view, they could repent, but they will not, because they stubbornly refuse.

how in your view how could they repent when God says they did not repent ?

That places the blame for their sin and rebellion squarely on them.

same here , sin is still on them even tho God foreknew their sins

On your view, if their refusal was infallibly fixed beforehand, then they could not repent. Their non-repentance was necessary before they ever acted.

their sin and non-repentance

their sins, God's judgement their non-repentance is prophesied and
still their sins are their sins , not God's
all necessary

That removes responsibility from man, even if you do not explicitly place that responsibility on God.

So the question is not whether Revelation says they repent.

It says they do not.

The question is whether they could have repented.

So the question is whether Revelation is true and therefore necessary
their sins, God's judgement their non-repentance prophesied

If they could have repented, then the future was open, and their refusal is their own fault.

so God knows the will not repent
they can't do otherwise and yet it will still be their choice

"And they blasphemed the God of Heaven because of their pains and their sores. And they did not repent of their deeds."

If they could not have repented, then they were not free in any meaningful sense, and blaming them for what they could not avoid is unjust.

how could they repent if God knows they won't ?

 

[way 2 go]

Is that what the text says?

(Genesis 2:19) And out of the ground the LORD God formed every animal of the field and every fowl of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. And whatever Adam called each living creature, that was its name.

like father to child , sometimes you ask question for the child's benefit not to gain knowledge


Psalm 147:5 Great is our Lord and mighty in power. His understanding is infinite.
(I John 3:20) For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things

you think God didn't know ?
(Genesis 3:9) And the LORD God called to Adam and said to him, Where are you?
(Genesis 3:11) And He said, Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten of the tree which I commanded you that you should not eat?
(Genesis 18:21) I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which has come to Me. And if not, I will know

 

[VladtheDestroyer]

so you read that as God didn't know
something knowable

I take it as an indication that God does not have exhaustive foreknowledge of the future.

 

[VladtheDestroyer]

I think He regretted

no it doesn't sound like he changed his mind
he built the earth with enough water in the fountains of the great deep to flood the earth
and had a plan of redemption before he made the earth
(Revelation of John 13:8) And all dwelling on the earth will worship it, those whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain, from the foundation of

I think He regretted making man.