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● 1John 4:1 . . Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

The koiné Greek word for "spirits" is pneuma (pnyoo'-mah) which means, among other things; a current of air; viz: winds and breezes. Probably what John is talking about are influences; which range anywhere from celebrities and astrological horoscopes to popular singers and musicians; with philosophers, poets, and pulpit pounders being somewhere in the middle.

The common Greek word translated "prophet" is prophetes (prof-ay'-tace) which essentially identifies a foreteller; i.e. someone who can predict the future. But it also applies to inspired speakers as per Eph 4:11-15.

Abraham was a prophet (Gen 20:7). Though Abraham saw the future (e.g. John 8:56) there's no record of him foretelling it; but there's evidence enough to believe that he was at least an inspired speaker. (Gen 18:19)

The problem with testing speakers is that there exists no universal standard for doing it. The testing of inches, meters, yards, centimeters, cups, and teaspoons is easy because we have universal standards for those measurements that everybody goes by. But in regards to doctrine; really all that most Christians have to go by are the standards of their own denomination. In other words: truth for a Catholic is whatever Rome says it is, while truth for a Mormon is whatever Joseph Smith and/or Brigham Young say it is; while truth for a Jehovah's Witness is whatever the Watch Tower Society says it is; and truth for a Baptist is whatever their Baptist minister says it is.

So then, truth among Christians is typically proprietary truth rather than standard truth; so good luck testing the spirits seeing as how even your own spiritual influences are suspect.

I personally believe the Bible to be an independent, non-proprietary source of truth. So then, if I were to put a Bible in your hands, could you use it as a sort of sacred Geiger counter to test the winds of religious thought? No; you couldn't; and that's because there are any number of ways to interpret the Bible; and whose to say that their way is the one that's infallible and speaking for God ex cathedra?

Jesus said that false prophets are known by their fruits (Matt 7:15-20). But there again, not everyone is qualified to be a fruit inspector, so good luck with that.

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The term "sin nature" found in some versions of the Bible, is actually an interpretation rather than a translation. I suspect somebody coined it as a substitute for the flesh that Paul often spoke of in his letters.

● Rom 8:8 . .They that are in the flesh cannot please God.

The koiné Greek word for flesh is sarx (sarx); which basically indicates the meaty parts of either man or beast. The meat of the human body would of course include the 3-pound lump of flabby organic tissue housed within humanity's bony little skulls sufficing for a mind; and it's not all that difficult to tamper with a brain and make its owner quite mindless.

The meaty parts of the human body are the source of a human being's human nature and it isn't all that difficult to define. Webster's says its (1) the ways of thinking, feeling, and acting that are common to most people, and (2) the nature of humans; especially the fundamental dispositions and traits of humans.

Ironically, when God finished assembling the cosmos with its various forms of life, matter, and energy; He pronounced it all not just good; but "very" good (Gen 1:31). In other words, God was satisfied that the human body came out just exactly as He designed it to come out; but it didn't stay that way.

When people do something contrary to their better judgment; it's very common to hear them complain "I don't know what came over me." Well; the thing that came over them was their own body exerting its fundamental dispositions and traits; viz: the human body literally has a mind of its own; it constantly, and perpetually, competes with its host for control of their thoughts, their speech, and their conduct, and more often than not wins.

When I was a growing boy my dad was always telling me that I was my own worst enemy. I think that maybe the apostle Paul would have agreed with my dad because he too was his own worst enemy.

● Rom 7:18 . . For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing

● Rom 7:24 . .What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death?

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There are some people about whom it can honestly be said that the world is a better place with them gone. But even more so is the fact that they won't be coming back to disturb the tranquility of Messiah's new world order.

● Ps 37:10-11 . . For yet a little while and the wicked shall be no more; indeed, you will look carefully for his place, but it shall be no more. But the meek shall inherit the earth, and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

● Isa 9:7 . . Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the Lord Almighty will accomplish this.

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Well, since my baby left me,
I found a new place to dwell.
It's down at the end of lonely street
At Heartbreak Hotel.

And although it's always crowded,
You still can find some room.
(Elvis Presley, Heartbreak Hotel, 1956)

Sometimes when people are poured a beverage; they're instructed to say "when". One thing about death that's certain; it never says when.

● Prov 30:15-16 . . There are three things that will not be satisfied, four that will not say, "enough".

Well; one of those four is a place called sheol; which is often translated: the grave.

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● 2Cor 5:1-4 . . For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

The koiné Greek word for "naked" in that passage is gumnos (goom-nos') which implies full frontal.

That passage got me to thinking there's a possibility that when the lost stand to face justice at the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15, they'll be indecent; and far from bullet proof, their bodies will be susceptible to severe injury; even death.

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● Matt 27:45 . . From the sixth hour until the ninth hour darkness came over all the land.

What do you suppose went on during those three hours of thick darkness around the cross? Well; I'll tell you what went on because I'm not authorized to keep it a secret. The things that the Romans did to Christ were merely a warm up for the main event. When the darkness came; that's when God stepped into the ring; and the gloves came off.

When the darkness lifted, people saw a Jesus so beaten and bloodied beyond recognition that they could scarcely tell he was the same man.

● Isa 52:14 . .There were many who were appalled at him-- his appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any man, and his form marred beyond human likeness.

● Isa 53:10 . . But The Lord was pleased to crush him, putting him to grief

I have to wonder how ever a father could do something like that to his own son; especially do that for a world that wouldn't even appreciate that the injuries God personally inflicted upon His own son were for their benefit.

If God would do that kind of damage to His own son, what do you suppose He has in store for skeptics in this day and age who mock Jesus and make remarks about him? Well . .that's not too hard to figure out is it? Fair's fair. At the very least, they will be beaten and bloodied beyond recognition, same as he was.

NOTE: Mary Magdalena was in the audience that day and saw everything (John 19:28). Well; it's no mystery to me that she didn't recognize Christ right away in the cemetery seeing as how the last time she saw him he was an ashen corpse, beaten and bloodied beyond recognition, crowned with thorns (John 19:2), and virtually stark naked (John 19:23). The last person on earth that Mary expected to encounter out at the cemetery was her master all cleaned up, fully clothed, and alive and well because that was definitively not the way she remembered him.

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One of the most amazing guitarist I've ever watched is a man named Tommy Emmanuel. Other astonishing guitarists I could name are Craig Chaquico, and Stanley Jordan. Along with them is an electric bass player named Jaco Pastorius. They can be seen performing on YouTube and/or NetFlix.

Watching the astonishing abilities of those men makes me wonder sometimes if they aren't possessed. But really, their talent isn't supernatural; it's totally natural; coordinated by the three-pound lump of organic tissue housed within their bony little skulls.

People leave their organic bodies behind when they pass on; which strongly suggests to me that musicians like the above do not take their talent with them when they go because it's literally all in their heads, and in their nervous systems, and in their muscle memories; none of which they get to keep. Can you just imagine leaving this life able to produce difficult pieces of complicated music only to arrive on the other side unable to play even a simple little tune like Twinkle Twinkle Little Star?

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● Mark 12:30 . .You shall love The Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.

One of the aspects of love is empathy; which can be roughly defined as emotional responses related to things like compassion, pity, and sympathy.

It isn't necessary to like God in order to comply with Mark 12:30, but it is necessary to feel sorry for Him; i.e. feel God's pain whenever He's upset about something; viz: to commiserate with God's sorrow.

I've had people actually tell me that God has no feelings; i.e. He doesn't get emotional-- He's above all that. Well; I have no clue how anyone can read the Bible and come to the conclusion that God has no feelings because even in the Bible's very first book we find God in remorse.

● Gen 6:5-6 . . Now The Lord observed the extent of the people's wickedness, and he saw that all their thoughts were consistently and totally evil. So The Lord was sorry he had ever made them. It broke his heart.

And although God didn't particularly like the people whom Moses led out of Egypt (Ex 32:9-10) at the same time, He commiserated with their suffering. (Isa 63:9)

For some people; it's asking too much for them to commiserate with God because they were born with defective amygdalae; which are portions of the brain that trigger emotional responses.

The thing is; just as there are people who can recognize humor while at the same time not be tickled by it, so there are people who can recognize suffering while at the same time not be moved by it. Those kinds of empathy-challenged people are often labeled callous, insensitive, and hard hearted. The really bad cases end up labeled monsters because the horrific things they are capable of doing to their fellow man are beyond humane comprehension.

Seeing as how non compliance with Mark 12:30 is worthy of the sum of all fears; then how are empathy-challenged people to have any hope of escaping it?

Well; the answer to that is of course the Xmas story.

● Luke 2:10-11 . . I bring you good news of a great joy which shall be for all the people; for today in the city of David there has been born for you a savior

Webster's defines a savior as one who rescues. Everyone has seen examples of rescuers-- lifeguards, firemen, cops, emergency medical teams, Coast Guard units, snow patrols, and mountain rescue teams. Rescuers typically get people to safety who are facing imminent death and/or grave danger while utterly helpless to do anything about it.

● 1John 4:10 . . In this is love: not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His son to be the propitiation for our sins.

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Heaven's world is a society of caring people.

● Rom 13:10 . . Love does no harm to its neighbor.

● 1Cor 13:4 . . Love is patient

● 1Cor 13:4 . . Love is kind.

● 1Cor 13:4 . . Love doesn't seek the center of attention

● 1Cor 13:5 . . Love is not rude

● 1Cor 13:5 . . Love is affable

● 1Cor 13:5 . . Love keeps no record of wrongs.

● 1Cor 13:5 . . Love does not insist upon its own way

● 1Cor 13:7 . . Love always protects

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● Rev 20:11-15 . . I saw a great white throne, and Him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

According to Rev 20:10, the lake of fire consists of brimstone; defined by Webster's as sulfur; which liquifies at around 239.38° F and boils at around 832.3° F.

Molten sulfur assumes a dark red color at around 392° F which, in all likelihood, enhances the lake's fiery appearance.

Q: What if people's execution in the brimstone isn't quick? I mean: the day of Adam's death began the moment he tasted the forbidden fruit; yet he continued to survive outside the garden of Eden for another 800 years after the birth of his son Seth. (Gen 5:4)

A: No response.

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Q: At Matt 16:18, Jesus said: "Upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it." What is the meaning of that verse?

A: Basically it's saying that should one of Christ's true believing followers slip through a crack and end up in the wrong place, they will be able to stroll right on out of there like a tourist in Paris; likely guided on their journey by a celestial being, maybe similar to Peter's experience when he escaped jail in Acts 12:3-11.

I should point out that if any one particular church were the "my church" that Christ spoke of in Matt 16:18, then none of its members-- not one --would end up in hell; but I suspect that all churches, regardless of their denominational affiliation, expect to lose a number of their followers to an uncertain fate; which reminds me of a line from the movie AVATAR spoken by Colonel Miles Quaritch, played by Stephen Lang, that goes like this:

It is my job to keep you alive.
I will not succeed . . not with all of you.

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I once heard of a preacher asked by a young member of his congregation what he would have to do that's so bad he'd go in hell.

The preacher answered: You don't have to do anything exceptionally bad to go to hell; no, just bide your time and you'll wind up there without even trying because hell is the default.

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There's been a quite a bit of flap in the media of late about a gender issue called mysogyny-- defined by Webster's as hatred of women --while very little flap about misandry; defined by Webster's as hatred of men.

In the end, it will be a man who casts angry women into the lake of brimstone depicted at Rev 20:10-15 and permanently ruins any chances they might have had for happiness in the future. For all eternity, condemned man haters will grind their teeth with hot tears and white-knuckled fury that they ultimately lost out on everything because of one lone male's obsessive control over their lives.

● John 5:22-23 . .The Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father.

● Acts 17:31 . . For God has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed

FYI: Misandry and feminism aren't joined at the hip; viz: not all feminists hate men. Feminism is typically peaceful, objective, and political while misandry is typically malicious, emotional, and personal.

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Whether death in the lake of brimstone depicted at Rev 20:10-15 is quick or slow; surely either way no one wants such a fate in their future. It would be better to avoid the lake altogether and take up residence in the new cosmos where everyone is immortal and enjoying life to the fullest in a world where there is neither war, nor crime, nor poverty, nor sickness.

The first death is mandatory, but not the second; there's a God-given way for people to get out of it that requires no merit on their part; only trust.

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Human existence consists of three parts: body, soul, and spirit (Gen 2:7, 1Thess 5:23 and Heb 4:12).

According to Matt 10:28, the body and the soul are perishable. However; though the body is perishable by any means, the human soul is perishable only by divine means; i.e. the deaths of body and soul aren't simultaneous.

I have yet to encounter a passage in the Bible clearly, conclusively, and without ambiguity stating that the third part of human existence is any way perishable; either by the hand of man or by the hand of God.

Solomon believed that God reclaims the spirit upon the death of the body (Ecc 12:7) but Solomon didn't go on to say what God does with it.

Portions of the book of Ecclesiastes are often quoted as proof texts that there is no conscious existence in the afterlife; but Solomon's knowledge went no further than the grave; while Christ's knowledge goes well beyond the grave. It is far better to listen to Christ's teachings about the afterlife than Solomon's because Solomon's knowledge was incomplete; whereas Christ's knowledge is unlimited. (John 1:1-3, John 3:31-34, Col 2:3 and Col 2:9).

● Luke 11:31 . .The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of this generation, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.

● Matt 17:5 . .This is My son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him.

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● Luke 16:24-26 . . Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame. But Abraham said: Between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.

It's easy to imagine that the "great chasm" is something like the Grand Canyon; but in reality the distance across can't be all that far otherwise Abraham and the rich man couldn't speak to one another. It seems likely to me that the chasm Abraham spoke of is a sort of crevasse, i.e. a bottomless fissure just wide enough to prevent pedestrians.

Anyway, point being: I'm heaven-bound; but I'm not so sure of many of my friends, relatives, and associates. If they fail to make the cut, I'm crossing my fingers that there will be some way that I can contact them in the afterlife after we've all passed on. It deeply saddens me to think there's a possibility I might not be allowed to see any of them ever again until the day of our final good-byes during the event planned for Rev 20:11-15.

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The apostle Paul expended quite a bit of time, energy, and writer's ink persuading Christ's believing followers that it's impossible to obtain heaven by means of compliance with the Ten Commandments. He didn't succeed; not with everyone. People still refused to believe him even though he claimed to have received his information straight from the horse's mouth.

● Gal 1:11-13 . . For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

However, though it is impossible to obtain heaven by means of compliance with the Ten Commandments, it is essential to comply with them in order to stay in heaven; not just the Ten only, but all of God's commandments. And one's compliance cannot be spotty, it has to be flawless.

So; what's the secret to this apparent Catch-22?

The secret is found in a promise that God made to His people back in the Old Testament.

● Ezek 36:26-27 . . I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit into you: I will remove the heart of stone from your body and give you a tender heart; and I will put My spirit into you. Thus I will cause you to follow My laws and faithfully to observe My rules.

An "heart of flesh" would normally be regarded in modern Sunday school classes as a bad thing. Here in Ezekiel, flesh is juxtaposed with stone to indicate that God is talking about tenderness; which can be defined as gentleness, kindness, sensitivity, and deep affection; i.e. the warm, softer emotions.

A heart of stone is cold and dead, like those massive granite monoliths in Yosemite Valley. They feel not the slightest pity for climbers who lose their grip and fall. Nope, those big rocks just go on like nothing ever happened; silent, indifferent, unconcerned, non grieving, non compassionate, and unsympathetic; i.e. they feel nothing: nothing at all.

Bottom line: Seeing as how love is essential to proper compliance with the Ten Commandments; then the thoughtless, the callous, and the insensitive would be shut out of heaven forever and ever were it not for Ezek 36:26-27.

Watch as I deliberately paraphrase the following passages. Though the texts aren't verbatim quotes from the Bible; the message the paraphrases convey is spot-on.

"I assure you: unless hard-hearted people are born again, they can never see the Kingdom of God." (John 3:3)

"Don't be surprised at my statement that the uncivil must undergo a birth performed by the hand of God." (John 3:7)

Note that the birth performed by the hand of God, about which Jesus spoke, isn't optional; it's a must.

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During the 16th century, an Italian man named Niccolò Machiavelli wrote a political treatise titled: The Prince. It's main theme is how to get power, and once you've got it; how to keep it.

The book's instructions apply to all forms of power whether in business, in government, the military, the mafioso, school boards, investment banking, and even religion and church management practices.

You might be surprised at the number and variety of famous, respectable people who've been influenced by The Prince, not only in the past, but right up to the very present. Machiavelli's book, like Sun Tzu's book The Art Of War, is timeless.

However; there's a hitch. Machiavelli's ideas work best when employed by monsters, i.e. sociopaths: because it's necessary to sacrifice integrity and conscience to make them work; i.e. it's necessary to become cruel, inhumane, and thoroughly indifferent to the principles of trust, loyalty, and honesty.

The word "Machiavellian" is in Webster's defined as: marked by cunning, duplicity, or bad faith, i.e. not guided by, or showing a concern for, what is right in respect to social norms and acceptable behavior.

In other words: it's not what's right that counts with Machiavellian personalities; it's what works, viz: they practice a sort of moral flexibility.

The Bible describes heaven as a place of peace. I think it goes without saying that Machiavellian personalities are not allowed there. For one, they would make heaven unbearable for the decent folk. For another, they would not fit in. And for another, their way of life would just end up turning heaven into another Earth.

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● Lev 24:10-12 . . And the son of an Israelitish woman, whose father was an Egyptian, went out among the children of Israel: and this son of the Israelitish woman and a man of Israel strove together in the camp; and the Israelitish woman's son blasphemed the name of The Lord, and cursed.

. . . And they brought him unto Moses: (and his mother's name was Shelomith, the daughter of Dibri, of the tribe of Dan) And they put him in ward, that the mind of The Lord might be showed them.

That incident is a pretty good illustration of the current purpose of the fiery sector of hades. It's a place to hold people till the day when the mind of the Lord will be shown concerning them.

● Rev 20:13. . Death and hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.

NOTE: Rev 20:13 is a record of things that the apostle John saw in the future; which means they're on the way, and only a matter of time now when they'll be seen in the present by everyone.

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The six days of creation are all bounded by evenings and mornings. The seventh day is not bounded, i.e. the seventh day is an on-going day; viz: God is still on sabbatical and hasn't created anything new for the current cosmos since the end of the sixth day.

So then, babies are nothing new; they're just multiples of the one soul that God created from dust per Gen 1:26-28 and Gen 2:7.

"In Adam, all die" (1Cor 15:22)

Well, all die because all were effected when God doomed Adam to die for eating the forbidden fruit; viz: it only stands to reason that if Adam was doomed to die, then of course the entire human race would automatically be doomed to die too, i.e. kill a tree's root, and all it's branches will wither. If each person were an individual creation from dust, then Adam's fall would've been his alone and no one else's.

The upside to this situation is that Adam's sin wasn't a sin unto hell. The prescribed consequence is simply mortality. (Gen 2:16-17, Gen 3:19)

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