Sheila B
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Sheila B
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Originally Posted by OCTOBER23 View Post
SHEILA BC.
What do you believe narrowed down.
What Believe you ?- lol
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well, as regards the movie... I had no problem with it. I believe there are saints and animals in heaven! I am counting on meeting them all when my turn comes. I was a bit distressed that so many people were upset by the child's message.
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I quoted this just because it was your last post.
Take a look at this link :jawdrop:
At first I thought it was the book in your OP but that is not the case.
Still, it seems to me that this is meant to contribute to your thread
https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/boy-who-claimed-he-went-to-heaven-recants-108278459057.html
Here is a link to an article by Phil Johnson in which he discusses both of the books by Burpo and Malarkey, as well as the whole heaven tourism fad:
http://www.gty.org/Blog/B121018/the-burpomalarkey-doctrine
http://www.gty.org/Blog/B121018/the-burpomalarkey-doctrine
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Not really, just googling some stuff. What John said made sense in that article, not everything he writes is correct.
What can I say? I'm eclectic.
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I completely disagree with MacArthur on Conditional Immortality, I believe that the wages of sin is death, just as the Bible says.
<whewww> Ya had we worried there for a minute. . .
I got the author wrong, as well. MacArthur didn't write it, but it was on the "Grace to you" website. The author is Phil Johnson. I don't know who he is, a staff writer probably.
Every time I let down my armor of scepticism, I get burned. From now on I am not believing what ANYONE says, and only half of what I see with my own eyes.
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I am sure that you have by now heard or read that the kid who said he went to heaven has now said, "I lied".
Johnny Mac is a "fringy" baptist-presbyterian. [I really am not sure which] You will find him being against 'more' than being 'for' in whatever and whenever he preaches and what is he for is heavily slanted because of where he was taught __ Bob Jones university & co.
He is in love with his doctrine more than Jesus Christ.
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Near-death.Com publishes hundreds of accounts of people with near death or after-life experiences but will not publish mine........ Simply because it is the only one ever told that matches up with the Bible, and those folks are very anti-Bible.
I have always wanted an accredited source to investigate my story that I did not know was recorded in the Bible until 5 years after the fact....... then it was another 5 years before the truth of why the man was rubbing oil on my chest when I came back to life finally dawned on me.
I have always wanted to know what the paramedics witnessed because it was very obvious they had seen something that affected them emotionally in an extreme manner. A few weeks later I tried to talk to them myself but the ambulance company would not release their names to me. On the other hand I think there is enough info in the police report and the opinions of the investigating officer (whose name I do have) for the right person(s) to be able to interview them.
Here is a cut and paste from my book (that I give away free) that gives an account of the accident and what I witnessed that is the same as John wrote of the resurrection of the dead where the obvious is you have to die before you can attend it.
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I was raised in a fundamental Christian home always being told that your name had to be in the book of life or you would spend eternity in hell. Because of both fear and desire I professed to be a Christian around the age of nine but by the time I reached thirteen I told my parents that I did not want to be saved anymore, hoping that I would then be able to join my peers and be “normal”. However by the time I was in my mid twenties I had already started on a path that would lead to fame and riches for all the wrong reasons and after twenty-five years of this I had succeeded in accomplishing most of my goals. The way up the ladder was not always easy nor did my survival have anything to do with my own design. It seemed that my curse was that I was as untouchable as I was unhappy no matter how the stories and wealth accumulated.
Dec.15th 1995 is the time that stands out most predominately among the warnings and callings that God sent to me. While traveling along in morning rush hour traffic at approximately 65 mph and placing a cell phone call, I drifted off the freeway and onto the shoulder When I looked up there was a stalled semi with a large piece of earth moving equipment on its trailer fifty feet in front of me. With no place to go I hit him so hard in a large car that I reduced it to the size of a compact. The spectators could not believe that I was still alive let alone continue to talk to them while the paramedics immobilized me and prepared me for the trip to the hospital. All I could think was that they had no idea who was lying there in front of them and that this was just one more time that I had cheated death. When they wheeled me to the back of the ambulance I got the biggest shock of my life when I suddenly realized that I was about to die and that I had only seconds left to live.
My first thoughts were about how and when my family would find out that I had died and how would my dog get fed and taken care of. Then it got more serious as I realized that it did not matter whether I was wealthy or poor or whether I was driving a luxury car or a junker because I was about to leave this earth. I did not feel qualified to pray for my life at that time however I had a one-way conversation with God and I acknowledged to him that my life had been one of foolishness. I told Him that I no longer had the strength to live and if I was to do so it would take his direct intervention in one way or another because it was now all up to him. At that time I flat lined the monitoring equipment and the call went out to the highway patrol that they were losing me and at the same time and for the first time in my life I had peace and was grateful that dying wasn’t all that bad. Keep in mind that I was totally immobilized and could only look straight up had I still been able to see. However I was soon looking at the paramedics eye to eye and at face level as they tried to restart my heart. Their attempts were futile and I was hoping that they would slow down before they ruined the best thing that had ever happened to me. The next thing that happened was that I was taken up into a large area where I could not see anyone else but could sense life around me. I was then “brought” up to a large table that had a very large book on it that was open but was placed in such a manner so that it could be read only by someone on the other side whom I could not see. I knew that this had to be the Book of Life that I had heard about as a youth and that if my name did not appear in it I would have to go to hell. This was very serious indeed but as I stood there the book closed. That did not seem to be a very good sign and I resigned myself to the fact that I would have to go to hell because I had had plenty of opportunities to change but now it was to late. I knew that it wouldn’t do any good to cry and beg but that I should at least take it like a man because there would be plenty of time to cry where I was about to go.
However before any sort of trap door opened up to send me to hell I was suddenly taken to a second table that was just as the first one except the book on this table was closed. I was somewhat confused as to what this second book was all about when suddenly it was opened up and this scene became a repetition of the first one. This entire scene with a second book made no sense to me at all because as a child in Sunday School I had only heard of one book but at least it seemed to be a delay in what I already knew was about to happen to me. Then all of a sudden my name was found in this second book and I thought to myself “great I get to go to heaven”. Unfortunately before that happened I was suddenly “back alive and in my body” feeling something really good in my throat that I realized was oxygen. I had forgotten that oxygen was one of the first things that they had given to me back at the scene of the accident some miles distant and I thought to myself “well it is about time they gave me some”. All of the above took place while I was still inside the ambulance and when I first opened my eyes there was a man leaning over me who asked me if I was OK. I told him I was fine and looking back I believe that he had been rubbing some oil on my chest that I have assumed to be something they might have used for the conductivity involved with the equipment they used to try and jumpstart my heart. (Later when I contacted the ambulance company to extend my gratitude as well as talk to the individuals to find out what they saw happen the dispatcher told me that this man had just joined them in the ambulance after the call had gone out that my heart had stopped. Unfortunately I never did get to thank anyone personally because of a privacy policy the ambulance company adheres to. However I do have the name of the HP officer who headed up the accident investigation and someday I hope to chat with her and get her take on what happened).
When we got to the hospital there were so many people waiting to help that they were getting in each other’s way and one accidentally ran into my foot causing me involuntarily to me say “ouch”. I didn’t understand all the uproar that was going on about me at the hospital. It seemed as if the entire hospital was involved around me and I was worried that somehow they had found out who I was. A couple of hours later the paramedics who had witnessed whatever had happened in the ambulance along with the driver came back with another emergency patient and asked to see me. They all stood in front of me acting and looking at me like I was something they had never seen before. The male driver was babbling incoherently and the one nurse who I had thought was pretty cute back at the scene of the accident suddenly threw her hands up to cover her face and ran out of the room saying how she could not bare to look at me. I never did find out what they saw happen when I came back to life but it was very obvious they had seen something very extraordinary and far beyond someone having their heart stop and then being made able to breathe on their own again through any form of CPR. People kept on asking me if I remembered anything at all while I was unconscious and I told them they were mistaken because I had been conscious the entire time and wanted to know when I could be released. An investigator from the highway patrol showed up and told me that she was there because they had been told that I had died and then awhile later heard that not only was I alive again but that I wanted to go home. She ended up getting rather upset with me and told me I didn’t know how lucky I was because in fourteen years she had never seen or heard of anything like this and how that I should be more grateful.
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I am more curious to know who messed with your understanding the scriptures __ as written?
Livelystone
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Nobody has messed with anything and I am light years ahead of you when it comes to understanding the mysteries within the Scriptures and what God has planned for those who love Him
This is why you do not see miracles and those around me do.......... all because the false doctrines in your heart are sins before God that in most cases causes God to turn away because of the presence of sin.
We all have our shortcoming in our lives but while I have the 7 foundational doctrines of Heb. 6:1-2 KJV correct, your opinions of them are comparable to a train wreck and are not from above
Therefore satan continues to teach you what he wants you to think rather than you being able to hear from God
Otherwise, you would be seeing miracles as all do who worship in spirit and in truth
Fair enough?
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Fair enough??? How is it you still have short comings in your life?
Thanks for the background information, I didn't know that. I will be more careful who I quote in the future.
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Satan still tries to tempt me just as he did Paul in 2Cor,12:7-9 KJV
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How come? Why does God allow it?
Livelystone
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As long as we are still lugging around the old spirit and soul of man (Adam & Eve) in us we are still not fully clean because the serpent seed (original sin. AKA "law of sin" Ro.7:23 KJV) still lives on in all of us ever since mans fall in the garden
However I do believe it is in the plan for God to remove it at the time and place of His choosing. I do not believe Paul would have prayed for this for himself if through his knowledge of the Scriptures he did not foresee a time when mankind (some but not all, at least not at once) would fulfill the commandment of God to become in both His image and likeness that so far Jesus is the only "son of man" to do so.
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I don't understand all of that but, lets assume you know what you are talking about: Why was Jesus tempted??
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Matthew 8:17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.
Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priestwhich cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.