ECT He shall save His people from their sins

[Right Divider]

How does the Lord save from their sins, the following?
a. His people Israel
b. His people the Church, His Body
c. Individual members of His people Israel
d. Individual members of His Body, the Church

God will make a new covenant with Israel, where He will remember their sin no more.

The body of Christ has no such relationship with the LORD.

Christ paid for all individuals sins by His death on the cross.

1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)​

(4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. ​

 

[musterion]

In what way does He save His people Israel from their sins, as compared to the way in which He saves His Body from ours? What's the difference between the saving of the one vs. the saving of the other, from our sins?

Don't Catholics have their own view on these matters?

 

[Interplanner]

God will make a new covenant with Israel, where He will remember their sin no more.

The body of Christ has no such relationship with the LORD.

Christ paid for all individuals sins by His death on the cross.

1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)​

(4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. ​

RD's first item is completely mistaken. It may look that way from Hebrews, but Hebrews is not the only reference. And once you compare Hebrews thoughtfully with the rest of the NT, there is too much overlap to make a separate case. "Christ has become the righteousness of God to us" I Cor 1.

 

[ThreeAngels]

Where in the holy Bible is there a distinction between Israel and the church? Nowhere because the church is Israel. The word of God says concerning Moses, "This is that Moses ... This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness ... " Act 7:37,38. So then the congregation of Israel is called the church. When the people of Israel rejected and crucified Jesus, He organized a new church and this church is Israel.
"They are not all Israel which are of Israel, neither because they are the seed of Abraham are they all children ... " Romans 9:6,7. "Now we brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise," Galatians 4:28. Abraham “is the father of us all as it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations.” Romans 4:16, 17.

How does the Lord save from their sins, the following?
a. His people Israel
b. His people the Church, His Body
c. Individual members of His people Israel
d. Individual members of His Body, the Church

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

RD's first item is completely mistaken. It may look that way from Hebrews, but Hebrews is not the only reference. And once you compare Hebrews thoughtfully with the rest of the NT, there is too much overlap to make a separate case. "Christ has become the righteousness of God to us" I Cor 1.

Fine. Quote scriptures, build a case line upon line and precept upon precept, and show us.
Why can't you do that?

 

[Nihilo]

Don't Catholics have their own view on these matters?

Isn't there only one true view?

 

[Right Divider]

RD's first item is completely mistaken. It may look that way from Hebrews, but Hebrews is not the only reference. And once you compare Hebrews thoughtfully with the rest of the NT, there is too much overlap to make a separate case. "Christ has become the righteousness of God to us" I Cor 1.

God is not through with Israel no matter how loudly you complain about it.

Jeremiah was inspired by God to write about the new covenant and the writer of Hebrew was inspired to confirm what was said. You are crazy to believe your outside sources over the Word of God.

 

[musterion]

Isn't there only one true view?

You didn't answer the question.

 

[Nihilo]

You didn't answer the question.

Well then I guess I'm beginning to catch up to you bud.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

God is not through with Israel no matter how loudly you complain about it.

Jeremiah was inspired by God to write about the new covenant and the writer of Hebrew was inspired to confirm what was said. You are crazy to believe your outside sources over the Word of God.

Interblender does not have a solid foundation, he is tossed about by many commentaries.

 

[God's Truth]

God is not through with Israel no matter how loudly you complain about it.

Jeremiah was inspired by God to write about the new covenant and the writer of Hebrew was inspired to confirm what was said. You are crazy to believe your outside sources over the Word of God.

The Israel God cares about it the Israel from heaven.

Hebrews 11:16 Instead, they were longing for a better country--a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.

 

[Right Divider]

The Israel God cares about it the Israel from heaven.

Hebrews 11:16 Instead, they were longing for a better country--a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.

Silly "interpretation" of that.

THIS is what they were longing for:

Matt 6:10 (AKJV/PCE)​

(6:10) Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as [it is] in heaven. ​

The kingdom of heaven will be ON THE EARTH, in the LAND that God promised to Israel.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

The kingdom of heaven will be ON THE EARTH, in the LAND that God promised to Israel.

With the heavenly city reigning over it.

 

[God's Truth]

With the heavenly city reigning over it.

Jesus will live on the NEW EARTH. That is when the NEW JERUSALEM will come to the New Earth.

THEN, Jesus hands OVER THE KINGDOM to the Father.

 

[God's Truth]

Silly "interpretation" of that.

THIS is what they were longing for:

Matt 6:10 (AKJV/PCE)​

(6:10) Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as [it is] in heaven. ​

The kingdom of heaven will be ON THE EARTH, in the LAND that God promised to Israel.

God is concerned about those BLOOD RELATED to Jesus.

God is concerned about the NEW LAND, this earth will be split in two.

 

[Right Divider]

God is concerned about those BLOOD RELATED to Jesus.

God is concerned about the NEW LAND, this earth will be split in two.

:juggle:

 

[God's Truth]

:juggle:

I see that you are confused. I hope we can talk more about the Bible so that perhaps you will see.

 

[Interplanner]

God is concerned about those BLOOD RELATED to Jesus.

God is concerned about the NEW LAND, this earth will be split in two.

'split in two'? Ever read 2 Peter 3?

 

[Interplanner]

The Israel God cares about it the Israel from heaven.

Hebrews 11:16 Instead, they were longing for a better country--a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.

RD considers the NT to be an outside source.

 

[Nihilo]

Isn't there only one true view?

You didn't answer the question.

Did anything happen to the Old Covenant, with the death of the testator? Hebrews 9:16 (KJV)