When you call people liars and the like. The only way can can do that is if you think you know what is in their heart.
Has the Church Replaced Israel ?
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That's wrong again. I don't judge your thoughts, I judge your WRITTEN WORDS.
So you know my motives for what I write? You need to know my inner most thoughts to think yourself capable of that.
Then you should stop.
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When you lie, I don't need to know why you lied. I'm fully capable of knowing what a lie is.
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Says the one lying.
You think anyone who disagrees with you is lying, as if you're in the place of God and the final arbiter of truth. In other words you think you have at least one of God's attributes which means you think you're God like.
Says the one lying.
If someone lies, and it's actually a lie, then does it take knowing the person's heart to call them out on their lying?
(hint: no, it doesn't)
Now you're bearing false witness. Stop it.
Truth is not arbitrary.
Jesus says to judge with righteous judgement.
He says to not judge based on appearances.
If someone is lying, and you call them a liar for lying, then that is a righteous judgement, not a false accusation. You're telling the truth. There's nothing wrong with telling the truth to a liar, and telling them that they're lying.
We are made in God's image and likeness. We have the ability to use our minds to discern right from wrong. He gave us that ability.
We are using it.
You are not.
Yes, we are made in God's likeness.
Why do you think that's a bad thing?
There is no requirement for someone to know someone's heart in order to call them a liar when they lie.
False.
I recommend watching the videos linked below.
You too, Tam.
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Who's the mind reader now?
What a big time HYPOCRITE!
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It's fascinating that you think that men, made in the image of God, do not have "at least one of God's attributes".
You're such a lying fool!
I have put up with people that I vehemently disagree with for YEARS on end. It is waste of time idiotic fools who wouldn't know how to make a rational argument if their lives depended on it, like yourself, who I despise and refuse to tolerate for any length of time longer than it takes to insult them and even that is better than they deserve.
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Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah from the blind one.
If someone is being a fool, or an idiot, or a moron, or a hypocrite, or a liar, it would help them to tell them that they are being a fool, idiot, moron, hypocrite, or liar. They may not know. And if they don't know, then how will they know unless someone tells them?
It should be noted that this isn't a prohibition on being angry with someone, brother or sister, or otherwise. Otherwise, God (who is shown to be angry with His people Israel on multiple occasions throughout scripture) would be in violation of it.
Rather, it's saying, don't be angry without cause.
Righteous anger is a good thing.
If you observe a Christian is being an idiot, you should call him out on it, and help him not be an idiot.
It has very little to do with anger, but rather, recognizing and promoting a healthy perspective of reality.
Agreed!
You shouldn't just "bow to our interpretation." But if it's correct, then (assuming your position is in conflict with it) you should humbly recognize your error, and correct it. The only way to determine that is to investigate the opposing view, test it, follow it to its logical and rational conclusions, and compare it to what scripture says. If it's in conflict, then reject it, and show your work.
Just like with any other proposition.
As Clete said: By sound reason and logic, and Scripture.
Sound reason, logic, and scripture. I am sorry, but think this list is incomplete as it is missing prayerful contemplation seeking guidance from the Helper God sent to help us.
It is one thing to point out to a brother or sister that they are in error. But as soon as you starting calling them names you are no longer dealing with the error, you are going after who they are as a person. If you want somebody to quit listening to anything you have to say, start insulting their character. Calling people names is never a productive path forward.
On the contrary. Jesus is Logic (Logos) become flesh. We (i.e. believers) have all been baptized by the Holy Spirit into Christ. We not only have the mind of Christ but His word (i.e. the bible) is the help that He's sent us.
Besides, any such help that one believes has been received by God (i.e. I presume you mean by some sort of revelation) must itself be evaluated via established scripture (the bible) and by sound reason.
Exactly!
They have already stopped listening (i.e. stopped using their mind)! That's why it makes sense to start attacking their character.
According to the definition of Logos used in scripture, Logos=/= logic. The most common use of Logos in scripture is Word. It can also be used to mean “word,” “speech,” “utterance,” or “message.”
When people have stopped listening, how does insulting them encourage them to listen to what you have to say?
I'm sorry, but Jesus sent a Helper (the Holy Spirit) to His disciples so that they could preach the gospel of the Kingdom of Israel. The Holy Spirit wasn't sent as a Helper to us in the Body of Christ, at least not specifically like Jesus said ini John 16:7.
Jesus lives within us, and as Clete mentioned, He is the LOGOS, logic.
So what I said is a complete list.
if they've lowered themselves to that point by then, then there's not much point in continuing to try to point out their original error, no?
Unless they've already stopped listening to what I have to say, for whatever reason...
At which point, is it wrong to call anyone a fool for intentionally walking towards the edge of a cliff?
Sometimes it is.
And telling people the truth rather than being polite is generally a better path forwards.
Clete has a better answer for this than I do.
I point back to what I said previously:
If they don't like that they're being one of those things, then that's a matter of the heart.
There's nothing inherently wrong with being offensive, because the truth is offensive to those who hate the truth, and in fact, Jesus was offensive. He is "the Rock OF OFFENCE!"
If someone is sinning, yes, even if they're Christians, one should call them out on it.
Or would you rather they continue in their sin, especially if they're a Christian?