Bah! Here I thought you would be willing to be reasonable? I guess I was wrong. You ought to read some of my posts that stick to the purpose of this thread before making a judgment? However, I realize, you have an extremely poor attitude towards your fellow posters. You're basically, an angry, grouchy and cranky type of person which might have played a part in your recent lengthy ban?
ECT Grace is unconditional but not universal
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Bah! Here I thought you would be willing to be reasonable? I guess I was wrong. You ought to read some of my posts that stick to the purpose of this thread before making a judgment? However, I realize, you have an extremely poor attitude towards your fellow posters. You're basically, an angry, grouchy and cranky type of person which might have played a part in your recent lengthy ban?
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You want me to go because you don't like my questions posed you.
You know I am correct but refuse to acknowledge for prides sake. You'd rather I just "go away".
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And "evidence" is the noun being referred to for trusting. Stop mincing words.
Nang
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No, I resent you and GM hijacking my thread.
You are not correct, and you have been well responded to on this thread . . but the spamming one-liners have done damage, and caused others to forget the OP and they have lost interest in the thread due to the hijacking of attention.
So either go away, or respectfully accept opposition to your views without trolling the thread.
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Nang
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Indeed I accept your apology and greatly appreciate your understanding.
That would be my hope also . . . ask away, and despite my advanced age, I will attempt to "spring" back!
This is not on the same level as a Urantia thread. Unless you are actually going to debate with scripture to support your argument, please leave the thread.
Marginalizing threads is discouraged unless it is something really stupid like Urantia and even then there is a point where it is too much.
PneumaPsucheSoma
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Faith is the hypostasis (underlying sub-standing {substance} reality of existence) of things*hoped*for (which is an English word cluster for elpizo), the evidence of things not seen.
Faith (the noun) is the evidence (the noun), just as faith (the noun) is the substance (the noun) {all anarthrous}.
You need some remedial language help to recognize referents and antecedents. Trusting is a verb. Evidence is not being referred to by the verb trusting.
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1Mind1Spirit
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Here let me shake things up a bit.
So far we have touched on unconditional but universal has purdy much went untouched.
As for me, I'm not taking it off the table.
Not with knowing God has concluded all in unbelief.
This would mean even those souls from Adam to Noah to the law to Christ.
Take all those Caananites Israel and God killed.
No hard feat for God to have mercy on them.
Don't get me wrong I think it would be unlawful to preach it, but to contemplate the possibility?, not so much.
What unlawful things did John hear?
What was it about the mercy seat Paul could not speak of?
When I think of nobody being left behind it brings a smile to my inner man.
So far we have touched on unconditional but universal has purdy much went untouched.
As for me, I'm not taking it off the table.
Not with knowing God has concluded all in unbelief.
This would mean even those souls from Adam to Noah to the law to Christ.
Take all those Caananites Israel and God killed.
No hard feat for God to have mercy on them.
Don't get me wrong I think it would be unlawful to preach it, but to contemplate the possibility?, not so much.
What unlawful things did John hear?
What was it about the mercy seat Paul could not speak of?
When I think of nobody being left behind it brings a smile to my inner man.
PneumaPsucheSoma
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Indeed I accept your apology and greatly appreciate your understanding.
That would be my hope also . . . ask away, and despite my advanced age, I will attempt to "spring" back!
The epitome of gracious long-suffering.
I, too, am guilty; for I fed the trolls too often myself. I have finally placed them both on ignore, so I'll not be contributing to their derailment any further.
PneumaPsucheSoma
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Please explain the nouns in Romans 10:17 then, please. Are those nouns indeed verbs somehow?
Nang
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Of course . . There is not a one of us who would not desire universal atonement which would produce universal salvation.
But we are merely (emotional and faulty) creatures, who due to such limitations, must rest in the wisdom of Creator God, and not trust our own speculations or finite understanding of these monumental matters of life and death.
We MUST accept by faith, the teachings of Holy Scripture, despite any leanings our human psychology might impose upon our minds.
1Mind1Spirit
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The epitome of gracious long-suffering.
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Yes.
Yes you did but some of it was entertaining.
Call it fun facts if you will.
Trolls on ignore don't get fed
1Mind1Spirit
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Nang
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1Mind1Spirit
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These are legitimate questions.
What unlawful things did John hear?
What was it about the mercy seat Paul could not speak of?
Apostles, unlike anyone else it would seem were given some things that I couldn't be trusted not to blab.
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What unlawful things did John hear?
What was it about the mercy seat Paul could not speak of?
Apostles, unlike anyone else it would seem were given some things that I couldn't be trusted not to blab.
:think:
Nang
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Perhaps, but I am assured that anything shown to them that is not revealed to us through the Holy Scriptures, would not differ from, nor contradict that divine Truth.
IOW's such withheld mysteries would accord doctrinally with God's eternal purposes and will, as we redeemed children in Christ have been shown.
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That doesn't begin to explain how my position reduces God in such a way.
Doesn't expalin how man as the spectator of his own translation from unbelief to belief has any worth at all.
Opting to believe hardly equates to this. How scriptures such as Romans 10:1ff has any real meaning for you considering what you think actually occurs is unclear.
What is man's worth above that of programmed creation PPS? Is God so lacking in omniscience and omnipotence that He could not create real humans able to make real decision WHILST still remaining in control?
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Sonnet
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Are you suggesting that Peter was without recourse to any other response than that which was predetermined?
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