God Sees ALL THINGS In His Son Jesus Christ

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Robert Pate

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"The Father loves the Son and has given ALL THINGS into His hand" John 3:35.

There is no salvation for anyone outside of Jesus Christ. God does NOTHING outside of His Son Jesus Christ.

"For by him were ALL THINGS created, that are in heaven and that are in the earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions or principalities, or powers: ALL THINGS were created by him and for him. And he is before ALL THINGS and by him ALL THINGS consist. And he is the head of the body,the church: who is the beginning, the first born from the dead; that in ALL THINGS he might have the pre-eminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all the fullness dwell" Colossians 1:16-19.

In the light of these scriptures it is foolishness to believe that God the Father would predestinate anyone to salvation outside of his Son Jesus Christ. God does NOTHING outside of His Son Jesus Christ. All things are done by him and through him and without him NOTHING is done.

"All things were made by him, and without him nothing was made" John 1:3.

I am a little sick of this Christless religion that is being preached today. Religion and I mean all religions are anti-Christ, there is no Gospel in any of it. There is no salvation for anyone outside of Jesus Christ. It was Jesus Christ that fulfilled God's Holy Law. It was Jesus Christ that atoned for our sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. It was Jesus Christ that God accepted into heaven in our name and on our behalf. It is Jesus Christ that is coming again to redeem the earth and all that is in it.
 
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Robert Pate said:
"The Father loves the Son and has given ALL THINGS into His hand" John 3:35.

There is no salvation for anyone outside of Jesus Christ. God does NOTHING outside of His Son Jesus Christ.

"For by him were ALL THINGS created, that are in heaven and that are in the earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions or principalities, or powers: ALL THINGS were created by him and for him. And he is before ALL THINGS and by him ALL THINGS consist. And he is the head of the body,the church: who is the beginning, the first born from the dead; that in ALL THINGS he might have the pre-eminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all the fullness dwell" Colossians 1:16-19.

In the light of these scriptures it is foolishness to believe that God the Father would predestinate anyone to salvation outside of his Son Jesus Christ. God does NOTHING outside of His Son Jesus Christ. All things are done by him and through him and without him NOTHING is done.

"All things were made by him, and without him nothing was made" John 1:3.

I am a little sick of this Christless religion that is being preached today. Religion and I mean all religions are anti-Christ, there is no Gospel in any of it. There is no salvation for anyone outside of Jesus Christ. It was Jesus Christ that fulfilled God's Holy Law. It was Jesus Christ that atoned for our sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. It was Jesus Christ that God accepted into heaven in our name and on our behalf. It is Jesus Christ that is coming again to redeem the earth and all that is in it.
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God does NOTHING, absolutly NOTHING outside of His Son Jesus Christ.

The only thing that we hear from God in the New Testament is... "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased: listen to him" Matthew 17:5. God says NOTHING, God does NOTHING after that. In the New Testament God is in heaven and now it is all about Jesus Christ.

Jesus never refers to anyone as the elect or the predestinated ones. Jesus sees all men as sinners. Jesus did not commit himself to anyone because he knew that all men were sinners, John 2:24.

There is no special group outside of the disciples and not even then can they be trusted. Peter denied Christ three times. The disciples were just ordinary sinful men. What changed them was the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost after they heard the Gospel.

Jesus mission was to provide salvation for fallen man. Jesus was God's new Adam and our new humanity. God's Son who was the prince of heaven, came to this dark planet and clothed himself in human flesh and became one with us, but not one of us and then... "He who knew no sin made him to be sin for us, that we might be made the righteousness of God in him" 2 Corinthians 5:21. In our name and on our behalf, Jesus Christ becomes sin for us.

God gives his only begotten Son for our sins and the sins of the world, 1 John 2:2. This is why God does NOTHING, absolutly NOTHING outside of his Son Jesus Christ. It would be an insult to Christ if God ran souls around his Son and predestinated them to eternal life without Christ. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life: NO MAN comes to the Father but by me" John 14:6. If you want to be saved, you are going to have to come to Christ as a repentant sinner and ask Christ to save you. There is no other way.
 
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Col 1:12-19
12 giving thanks to the Father(God) who has qualified us to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in the light.
13 He(God) has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son(Jesus) of His(God) love,
14 in whom we have redemption through His(Jesus) blood, the forgiveness of sins.
15 He(Jesus) is the image of the invisible God(Father), the firstborn over all creation.
16 For by Him(Father) all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through(For) Him(Jesus) and for Him(Father).
17 And He(Father) is before all things, and in Him(Father) all things consist.
18 And He(Jesus) is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He(Jesus) may have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in Him(Jesus) all the fullness should dwell,
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2 Cor 5:18-21
18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ's behalf, be reconciled to God.
21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
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Robert Pate

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Squeaky said:
Col 1:12-19
12 giving thanks to the Father(God) who has qualified us to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in the light.
13 He(God) has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son(Jesus) of His(God) love,
14 in whom we have redemption through His(Jesus) blood, the forgiveness of sins.
15 He(Jesus) is the image of the invisible God(Father), the firstborn over all creation.
16 For by Him(Father) all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through(For) Him(Jesus) and for Him(Father).
17 And He(Father) is before all things, and in Him(Father) all things consist.
18 And He(Jesus) is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He(Jesus) may have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in Him(Jesus) all the fullness should dwell,
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2 Cor 5:18-21
18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ's behalf, be reconciled to God.
21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
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You have added the word "Father" when the word "Father" is not in the scripture. You have also added the word "God" when "God" is not mentioned in the scripture.

Colossians 1:13, is about Jesus Christ, not God. Christ is the one that delivered us from the powers of darkness.

Colossians 1:16 is also about Jesus Christ. Christ was present in the creation of the world.

It is heresy to confuse the work the work of the trinity.

The Father stays in heaven
The Son comes into the world as the savior
The Holy Spirit glorifies the Son and works in the life of the believer.

God is not the savior, nor is the Holy Spirit. They are all present in each other, but their works are different.
 
fishrovmen

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Robert,
When you say that God sees all things in His Son, that means that He doesn't see individual people?
 
fishrovmen

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Jesus never refers to anyone as the elect or the predestinated ones. [/QUOTE]
Matthew 24:22 and Mark 13:20 are still in my Bibles.
 
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Robert Pate said:
Jesus never refers to anyone as the elect...
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In Matthew 24:22 NET Jesus said, "And if those days had not been cut short, no one would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short."

Is there an elect group of people?
 
fishrovmen

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Robert Pate said:
God does NOTHING, absolutly NOTHING outside of His Son Jesus Christ.
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Then how can you say that God is at peace with the whole world, unless like you have proved many times before, that you are a universalist?
How does anyone attain peace with God? Check out Romans 5:1.
 
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Ben Masada

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God Sees ALL THINGS in His Son Jesus Christ.

Jesus was only part of the true Son of God. So, God sees all things in His Son Israel if you read Exodus 4:22,23.
 
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Robert Pate said:
"The Father loves the Son and has given ALL THINGS into His hand" John 3:35.

There is no salvation for anyone outside of Jesus Christ. God does NOTHING outside of His Son Jesus Christ.

"For by him were ALL THINGS created, that are in heaven and that are in the earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions or principalities, or powers: ALL THINGS were created by him and for him. And he is before ALL THINGS and by him ALL THINGS consist. And he is the head of the body,the church: who is the beginning, the first born from the dead; that in ALL THINGS he might have the pre-eminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all the fullness dwell" Colossians 1:16-19.

In the light of these scriptures it is foolishness to believe that God the Father would predestinate anyone to salvation outside of his Son Jesus Christ. God does NOTHING outside of His Son Jesus Christ. All things are done by him and through him and without him NOTHING is done.

"All things were made by him, and without him nothing was made" John 1:3.

I am a little sick of this Christless religion that is being preached today. Religion and I mean all religions are anti-Christ, there is no Gospel in any of it. There is no salvation for anyone outside of Jesus Christ. It was Jesus Christ that fulfilled God's Holy Law. It was Jesus Christ that atoned for our sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. It was Jesus Christ that God accepted into heaven in our name and on our behalf. It is Jesus Christ that is coming again to redeem the earth and all that is in it.
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Then you turn right around and teach that sinners Christ died for are going to perish in their sins anyways!
 
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Ben Masada

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God Sees ALL THINGS in His Son Jesus Christ.

Jesus was only part of the Son of God aka Israel if you read Exodus 4:22,23. "Israel is My Son" said the Lord.
 
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jamie said:
In Matthew 24:22 NET Jesus said, "And if those days had not been cut short, no one would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short."

Is there an elect group of people?
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Yes, there is a "remnant" of Jews who survive the Tribulation and live to see Yeshua returning in all His glory.
 
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Ben Masada

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beameup said:
Yes, there is a "remnant" of Jews who survive the Tribulation and live to see Yeshua returning in all His glory.
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Well my friend, no intention to rain on your parade but, you are going to wait for another 2000 years. But I would not put too much hope on that because Ecclesiastes 9:5,6 does not promise that much.
 
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fishrovmen said:
Then how can you say that God is at peace with the whole world, unless like you have proved many times before, that you are a universalist?
How does anyone attain peace with God? Check out Romans 5:1.
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Reconciliation has been provided for everyone by the doing and the dying of Jesus, Hebrews 2:9.

But nothing is ours until it is received. If you don't receive it, it is not yours.

Only those that have accepted Christ as their savior are at peace with God and are a part of God's new humanity, 2 Corinthians 5:17.
 
fishrovmen

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Robert Pate said:
Reconciliation has been provided for everyone by the doing and the dying of Jesus, Hebrews 2:9.

But nothing is ours until it is received. If you don't receive it, it is not yours.

Only those that have accepted Christ as their savior are at peace with God and are a part of God's new humanity, 2 Corinthians 5:17.
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But your thread entitled "Is God at Peace With the World" says differently. You state in that thread right in the opening post that God is at peace with the world.
 
fishrovmen

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Robert Pate said:
Reconciliation has been provided for everyone by the doing and the dying of Jesus, Hebrews 2:9.

But nothing is ours until it is received. If you don't receive it, it is not yours.

Only those that have accepted Christ as their savior are at peace with God and are a part of God's new humanity, 2 Corinthians 5:17.
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So, what you are saying is that God offers reconciliation to the whole world, but if you don't receive it, there is no reconciliation?
 
jamie

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fishrovmen said:
So, in the judgment, how does this "god" know who to impute sins that were already forgiven and destroyed to?
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Everyone raised for judgment on the Last Day will have already paid the penalty for their sins.
 
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