you don't either and you even confirmed that in all your posts. Move on !
Freewill religion is the Man of Sin !
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you don't either and you even confirmed that in all your posts. Move on !
beloved57
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When God gives a Gift !
When God gives a Gift !
When God gives a Gift, its not as the Antichrist servants make it out to be, a offer for man to decide with his freewill on whether or not he is going to take it, for that is nothing but a diabolically lie, not supported by scripture, yet when He gives us a Gift He ensures the communication of the benefits of it so that we come into the possession of the Gift, or otherwise it was never a Gift given by God !
Remember when the Jewish Apostles knew that God gave the Gentiles the same Gift as they, which is speaking of the Spirit, its because they seen it with their own eyes that the Gentiles had the same experience as they had at the beginning, for we read Acts 10:45-47
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured or bestowed out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Also notice in Vs 47 the word received the greek lambanō and means:
II.to receive (what is given), to gain, get, obtain, to get back
In other words, it does not mean something offered here, but something given so that it was possessed , obtained !
The Holy Ghost was not offered to the Gentiles, but it was Sovereignly pored out upon them by the Sovereign Christ Acts 10:45
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
That word pour ekcheō can also mean bestowed upon !
45 And the believers from among the circumcised [the Jews] who came with Peter were surprised and amazed, because the free gift of the Holy Spirit had been bestowed and poured out largely even on the Gentiles.AMP
BTW this was in line with the Redemptive Purpose of Christ, that the Gentiles receive the Holy Spirit Gal 3:13-14
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Acts 11:17
17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
Again they received the Gift because God gave it to them into possession of it !
So whenever we hear of those speaking of Salvation being a Gift but yet its not yours until you accept it, they are deceivers and liars ! Thats not how God gives Gifts , thats a man made devil inspired lie !
When God gives a Gift !
When God gives a Gift, its not as the Antichrist servants make it out to be, a offer for man to decide with his freewill on whether or not he is going to take it, for that is nothing but a diabolically lie, not supported by scripture, yet when He gives us a Gift He ensures the communication of the benefits of it so that we come into the possession of the Gift, or otherwise it was never a Gift given by God !
Remember when the Jewish Apostles knew that God gave the Gentiles the same Gift as they, which is speaking of the Spirit, its because they seen it with their own eyes that the Gentiles had the same experience as they had at the beginning, for we read Acts 10:45-47
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured or bestowed out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Also notice in Vs 47 the word received the greek lambanō and means:
II.to receive (what is given), to gain, get, obtain, to get back
In other words, it does not mean something offered here, but something given so that it was possessed , obtained !
The Holy Ghost was not offered to the Gentiles, but it was Sovereignly pored out upon them by the Sovereign Christ Acts 10:45
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
That word pour ekcheō can also mean bestowed upon !
45 And the believers from among the circumcised [the Jews] who came with Peter were surprised and amazed, because the free gift of the Holy Spirit had been bestowed and poured out largely even on the Gentiles.AMP
BTW this was in line with the Redemptive Purpose of Christ, that the Gentiles receive the Holy Spirit Gal 3:13-14
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Acts 11:17
17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
Again they received the Gift because God gave it to them into possession of it !
So whenever we hear of those speaking of Salvation being a Gift but yet its not yours until you accept it, they are deceivers and liars ! Thats not how God gives Gifts , thats a man made devil inspired lie !
Nanja
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Amen! God gives His Gifts to whosoever He pleases.
If a person maintains they have Salvation because they have the right
to make the decision, of their own FREEWILL, to merely accept it,
they are not only believing a lie, but have usurped the Authority of God:
Attempting to take from God what does not belong to them; exactly the
same wicked pride exhibited in the devil's I WILL agenda Is. 14:13-14!
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how do arminians makes decisions when they don't even know what to decide on.
They make up something and decide on that.
beloved57
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Amen, Thank God for your comments here !
Nanja
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God is Glorified in the scriptural Truths you have presented in this thread!
Our Lord shall continue to Bless You!
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beloved57
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Thanks be to God !
beloved57
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The sin of unbelief !
The sin of unbelief !
Heb 3:12
Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Many false teachers of the antichrist suasion will tell us that Christ did not die for the sin of unbelief or the evil heart of unbelief, which is a departure from the Living God, in fact the sin that Adam committed in the beginning, a departure from The Law of God, and we are told that Christ did not die for this sin of unbelief.
Now what a travesty this is to the Lord Jesus Christ, that the one sin [according to them] that can send a person to hell though He died for them, thats the sin He did not die for !
Now that being the case, if a person He died for becomes saved from their sins, because they believed, an act of theirs, because they believed, which otherwise, even though Christ died for their sins, it was not the sole fact that He died for their sins [which He did alone] but it was the fact that they believed, something they did, and apparently with an evil heart, it was that they did with their evil heart that saved them from the penalty of their sins, which makes what they did [their act of belief with an evil heart] that which actually saved them from the penalty of their sins, and not what Christ did, because they say Christ did not die for the sin of unbelief !
The sin of unbelief !
Heb 3:12
Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Many false teachers of the antichrist suasion will tell us that Christ did not die for the sin of unbelief or the evil heart of unbelief, which is a departure from the Living God, in fact the sin that Adam committed in the beginning, a departure from The Law of God, and we are told that Christ did not die for this sin of unbelief.
Now what a travesty this is to the Lord Jesus Christ, that the one sin [according to them] that can send a person to hell though He died for them, thats the sin He did not die for !
Now that being the case, if a person He died for becomes saved from their sins, because they believed, an act of theirs, because they believed, which otherwise, even though Christ died for their sins, it was not the sole fact that He died for their sins [which He did alone] but it was the fact that they believed, something they did, and apparently with an evil heart, it was that they did with their evil heart that saved them from the penalty of their sins, which makes what they did [their act of belief with an evil heart] that which actually saved them from the penalty of their sins, and not what Christ did, because they say Christ did not die for the sin of unbelief !
Nanja
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Christ died for all sin, including unbelief for all of His Elect.
They were chosen to salvation and belief of the Truth. 2 Thes. 2:13
Because their sanctification and belief of the Truth is the effect and result of them
being chosen to salvation Eph. 1:13-14, if one maintains that his own work of believing
is what resulted in his Salvation, even one Christ died for, he is placing trust in his own action
and not solely on the Work of Christ for him.
Any religion that teaches man's cooperation is essential or contributory to Salvation,
even in the most minute way, is antichrist.
Rev. 18:4 KJV !
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beloved57
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And the Church said Amen !
Nanja
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beloved57
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Just plain false teaching !
Just plain false teaching !
There are many in false religion that teach that in order for God to save a person, they must confess something like Rom 10:9-10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
The word confess here is the greek word homologeō and means:
And the word here is a active voice which means:
The active voice represents the subject as the doer or performer of the action. e.g., in the sentence, "The boy hit the ball," the boy performs the action.
Now such a teaching is teaching the doing of works, the performance of an action in order for God to save you, this is a False teaching and teacher who teaches such thing !
Anyone teaching that a person must do Rom 10:9-10 in order for God to save them is a false teacher !
Just plain false teaching !
There are many in false religion that teach that in order for God to save a person, they must confess something like Rom 10:9-10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
The word confess here is the greek word homologeō and means:
And the word here is a active voice which means:
The active voice represents the subject as the doer or performer of the action. e.g., in the sentence, "The boy hit the ball," the boy performs the action.
Now such a teaching is teaching the doing of works, the performance of an action in order for God to save you, this is a False teaching and teacher who teaches such thing !
Anyone teaching that a person must do Rom 10:9-10 in order for God to save them is a false teacher !
Nanja
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Amen!
An unsaved person, in the flesh, has no ability to do any works that can please God Rom.8:7-8; Jer. 17:9.
Only once a person has experienced the New Birth, can he confess the Lord Jesus,
now being in total agreement with who He is and exactly what He accomplished for all those
He died for. For then he is able to believe, in his "new heart" Ezek. 36:26-27 and please God.
Eph. 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves:
it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
For men boast in their "freewill" !
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beloved57
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Very few people believe in the total inability of man !
Nanja
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beloved57
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Amen !
beloved57
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Ye that work iniquity !
Ye that work iniquity !
Matt 7:23
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
These that Jesus shall utter these words to "Ye that work iniquity" they cannot possibly be any for whom He died, This is True because all those He died for, had He their iniquity charged to Him rather than to them, so it is written Isa 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
And God in Justice will not never impute their iniquity unto them Ps 32:1-2
Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
2 Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
That Blessedness belive it or not belongs to every man that it can be said of them as Isaiah testified to Isa 53:6
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
So they can never in view of God's Justice have any iniquity they do charged to them, hence those Christ died for cannot be in His estimation of those who work iniquity, or of the workers of Iniquity Ps 5:5
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Its evident that The Lord has imputed iniquity on these, because He did not impute it or lay it on Christ !
Ye that work iniquity !
Matt 7:23
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
These that Jesus shall utter these words to "Ye that work iniquity" they cannot possibly be any for whom He died, This is True because all those He died for, had He their iniquity charged to Him rather than to them, so it is written Isa 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
And God in Justice will not never impute their iniquity unto them Ps 32:1-2
Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
2 Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
That Blessedness belive it or not belongs to every man that it can be said of them as Isaiah testified to Isa 53:6
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
So they can never in view of God's Justice have any iniquity they do charged to them, hence those Christ died for cannot be in His estimation of those who work iniquity, or of the workers of Iniquity Ps 5:5
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Its evident that The Lord has imputed iniquity on these, because He did not impute it or lay it on Christ !
beloved57
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God would be Unjust !
God would be Unjust !
If God punishes any for sin, exercises His Vindictive wrath upon, any for whom Christ died, then God is charged with injustice and acting unjustly, for exercising Divine Wrath upon those that Christ, by His death for them, delivered them from God's Wrath 1 Thess 1:10
And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
Rom 5:9
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
He would be Unjust because He would be exercising Divine Vengeance upon persons to whom He could not justly lay any charge against Rom 8:33-34
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
If Christ died for us, that Justified Us, and such, even God cannot lay any charge against Justly, because He layed the charges of theirs upon Christ who died because of them !
Now if God cannot and does not Lay any charges against them, they are to be considered before Him faultless, Blameless and innocent of any fault against His Holy Law.
Again the reason for this is because all the sins and faults and transgressions of theirs, He hath already by imputation, transferred and layed the guilt of and penalty of Upon Christ, and so He died, and in Him satisfied all His Law and Justice against their sins, and so they stand before Him as Innocent of any sins, as though they never sinned, and so it would be unjust of God to punish them for anything, it would be an abomination of His Righteous Government , in fact He would be guilty of doing the very thing He condemns and so would be Hypocritical Prov 17:15
He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the Lord.
God would be Unjust !
If God punishes any for sin, exercises His Vindictive wrath upon, any for whom Christ died, then God is charged with injustice and acting unjustly, for exercising Divine Wrath upon those that Christ, by His death for them, delivered them from God's Wrath 1 Thess 1:10
And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
Rom 5:9
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
He would be Unjust because He would be exercising Divine Vengeance upon persons to whom He could not justly lay any charge against Rom 8:33-34
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
If Christ died for us, that Justified Us, and such, even God cannot lay any charge against Justly, because He layed the charges of theirs upon Christ who died because of them !
Now if God cannot and does not Lay any charges against them, they are to be considered before Him faultless, Blameless and innocent of any fault against His Holy Law.
Again the reason for this is because all the sins and faults and transgressions of theirs, He hath already by imputation, transferred and layed the guilt of and penalty of Upon Christ, and so He died, and in Him satisfied all His Law and Justice against their sins, and so they stand before Him as Innocent of any sins, as though they never sinned, and so it would be unjust of God to punish them for anything, it would be an abomination of His Righteous Government , in fact He would be guilty of doing the very thing He condemns and so would be Hypocritical Prov 17:15
He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the Lord.
beloved57
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Who are the Saints ?
Who are the Saints ?
Deut 33:3
Yea, he loved the people; all his saints are in thy hand: and they sat down at thy feet; every one shall receive of thy words.
The Saints are all whom God so Loved Jn 3:16 and Christ died for or gave Himself for Eph 5:25, and because He died for them, they are Sanctified once and for all Heb 10:10
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
By that being Set Apart for His Spiritual Service ! The word sanctified in the above is the word hagiazō and means:
Even though Believers are Saints, they are Saints before becoming Believers and is why they shall become Believers !
Faith, Believing, is not a prerequisite in being a Saint, that condition is First the Fathers Election, and The Sons Death, His Blood being shed for one, and Faith is the condition of giving Evidence that One is a Saint, for God's Election, and Christ's Blood is the basis for the Spirit's work of Faith in all for whom He died !
Who are the Saints ?
Deut 33:3
Yea, he loved the people; all his saints are in thy hand: and they sat down at thy feet; every one shall receive of thy words.
The Saints are all whom God so Loved Jn 3:16 and Christ died for or gave Himself for Eph 5:25, and because He died for them, they are Sanctified once and for all Heb 10:10
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
By that being Set Apart for His Spiritual Service ! The word sanctified in the above is the word hagiazō and means:
Even though Believers are Saints, they are Saints before becoming Believers and is why they shall become Believers !
Faith, Believing, is not a prerequisite in being a Saint, that condition is First the Fathers Election, and The Sons Death, His Blood being shed for one, and Faith is the condition of giving Evidence that One is a Saint, for God's Election, and Christ's Blood is the basis for the Spirit's work of Faith in all for whom He died !
beloved57
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For without me ye can do nothing !
For without me ye can do nothing !
Jn 15:5
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
This speaks to the doctrine of total inability,The T in TULIP and these are the words of the Lord Jesus Christ to His disciples.
Jesus here is also speaking as the Head of His Body the Church ! Yes I know some will say that He is speaking to His Apostles, which is True, but yet His Apostles are but members of His Body the Church, the proof of that seen here 1 Cor 12:27-28
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
And so it is the members of Christ, His Body are controlled by the Head of the Body ! Figure, could my hand be able to function if I were headless ? No, without my Head, my hand could do nothing ! None of the members of the Body can function apart from the Head. What about our eyes, could we see without the Head ? Then how could a member of Christ's Body See Him without abiding in the Head as Per Jn 6:40
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Yet, without the Head we can do nothing ! How could we see the Son in order to believe on Him as it is stated here ?
What of our taste ? Remember Ps 34:8
O taste and see that the Lord is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.
Heb 6:5
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
1 Pet 2:3
If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
How can we taste something experimentally without our head ? Does not Jesus say Jn 6:54,56,57,58
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
Now who can eat, taste, or drink something apart from their Head ? All these words denotes believing on Christ, and yet we cannot do anything without Him !
What about coming to Christ Jn 6:37
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Can a person use their legs to come without having a Head ? Thats why Jesus, speaking as the Head, the Control Center of His Body and its Members, tells us that without Him they can do nothing !
For without me ye can do nothing !
Jn 15:5
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
This speaks to the doctrine of total inability,The T in TULIP and these are the words of the Lord Jesus Christ to His disciples.
Jesus here is also speaking as the Head of His Body the Church ! Yes I know some will say that He is speaking to His Apostles, which is True, but yet His Apostles are but members of His Body the Church, the proof of that seen here 1 Cor 12:27-28
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
And so it is the members of Christ, His Body are controlled by the Head of the Body ! Figure, could my hand be able to function if I were headless ? No, without my Head, my hand could do nothing ! None of the members of the Body can function apart from the Head. What about our eyes, could we see without the Head ? Then how could a member of Christ's Body See Him without abiding in the Head as Per Jn 6:40
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Yet, without the Head we can do nothing ! How could we see the Son in order to believe on Him as it is stated here ?
What of our taste ? Remember Ps 34:8
O taste and see that the Lord is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.
Heb 6:5
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
1 Pet 2:3
If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
How can we taste something experimentally without our head ? Does not Jesus say Jn 6:54,56,57,58
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
Now who can eat, taste, or drink something apart from their Head ? All these words denotes believing on Christ, and yet we cannot do anything without Him !
What about coming to Christ Jn 6:37
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Can a person use their legs to come without having a Head ? Thats why Jesus, speaking as the Head, the Control Center of His Body and its Members, tells us that without Him they can do nothing !