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andyc

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It says their own thoughts accused or excused them. It doesn't say God accepted them.

Because there was no hope, in that no specific word was given to them from God. Without a promise, there is no hope. And so paul explains that they will be judged by how they obeyed their conscience, according to Paul's gospel.
 

musterion

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Because there was no hope, in that no specific word was given to them from God. Without a promise, there is no hope. And so paul explains that they will be judged by how they obeyed their conscience, according to Paul's gospel.

And because the conscience is the built-in reflection of the Law, and because none have or can keep the Law perfectly (for all have violated their own conscience at some point, showing all that they've sinned whether they admit it or not), they were utterly without hope because their violated conscience will bear witness to their sin, justifying their condemnation and shutting all mouths.
 

andyc

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And because the conscience is the built-in reflection of the Law, and because none have or can keep the Law perfectly (for all have violated their own conscience at some point), they were utterly without hope because the violated conscience will bear witness to their sin, shutting all mouths.

The law was not given to them, and therefore they will not be judged by it. You guys just don't read the bible, do you.

for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.
 

musterion

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The law was not given to them, and therefore they will not be judged by it. You guys just don't read the bible, do you.

for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

Thanks for refuting your own statement.
 

andyc

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This is the thing isn't it folks?
It's actually a complement to me.

Andy why are you suddenly behaving like a madist?
Why have you stooped this low?
 

musterion

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One more time...

But Paul, on the other hand, constantly stressed the sacrificial nature of the death of Jesus Christ, "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation [appeasing sacrifice] through faith in his blood ..." (Romans 3:25). The blood of Christ is not mentioned by the Peter and the other 11 apostles in Acts, yet it is a vital part of the Gospel of grace. One must conclude that either the twelve were negligent, or that it had not yet been revealed to them that Christ died a sacrificial death. Certainly the apostles, filled with the Holy Spirit, did not dispense an incomplete Gospel, or those that heard it would have been without hope. So the sacrificial nature of Christ's death had not been revealed to them by God, just as we saw earlier in the section titled "The Mystery of the Gospel of Grace". In reference to the cross, Peter does explain in Acts 3:18 that "But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled." However, Peter does not link Christ's death to the justification of sinners.

 
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