Far Better To Build Immune System than Count on Vaccines

benben

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There are a number of other studies showing that natural immunity can be enhanced with vaccines. Ya'll just want to cling to the one study in Israel cause it makes you feel better.
It can also be enhanced with vitamin D. Should we force that down people's throats too? Being a healthy weight helps a lot too. Maybe we should ban fat people from restaurants. Or make big soda illegal, like Re-publican Michael Bloomberg tried to do years ago.
 

Alate_One

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It can also be enhanced with vitamin D. Should we force that down people's throats too? Being a healthy weight helps a lot too. Maybe we should ban fat people from restaurants. Or make big soda illegal, like Re-publican Michael Bloomberg tried to do years ago.
We already have vaccine mandates. Teachers should be mandated, as should healthcare workers. Getting tired of bearing the burden of people who insist their "freedom" is more important than my children's education.
 

benben

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We already have vaccine mandates. Teachers should be mandated, as should healthcare workers. Getting tired of bearing the burden of people who insist their "freedom" is more important than my children's education.
You ignored the question. And you're free to homeschool your children. In fact, it would be great if you did!
 

marke

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Because the vaccines focus the immune system on the spike protein, the effect of the mutations is reduced because the immune system will target parts of the spike protein that do not or cannot change very much. In a natural infection the immune system will target all kinds of things. Also the mRNA vaccines can be easily retooled to cover mutations by just changing their sequence. (Also, wow, "beneficial" mutations are real now I guess. ;) )
mRNA vaccines do not sound like an improvement to natural immunity. If mRNA vaccines strengthen the focus on a particular virus while weakening the human's natural ability to combat other infections then it is not really an advancement.
 

ok doser

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Teachers should be mandated, as should healthcare workers.
You're talking about using government coercion to force people into complying with health care decisions that should be theirs to make with the advice of their personal physician
Getting tired of bearing the burden of people who insist their "freedom" is more important than my children's education.
Where does this end?

When you get tired of bearing the societal burden of people who are obese, do you use government coercion to force them into thinness?

When you get tired of bearing the societal burden of AIDS, do you use government coercion to force the largest demographic that spreads AIDS into isolation?
 

marke

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“Evidence is emerging that people get better protection by being fully vaccinated compared with having had COVID-19,” the CDC adds, citing a study showing “unvaccinated people who already had COVID-19 are more than 2 times as likely than fully vaccinated people to get COVID-19 again.”

In certain circumstances, per the CDC, people who have contracted COVID-19 should not receive the shot for a set period of time ― such as if they are still infectious or have been treated with monoclonal antibodies or convalescent plasma. See the full guidelines on the CDC website.

What famous person claimes to have been reinfected by covid after having previously recovered from covid? There seems to be no end to the names of people who have gotten covid after being vaccinated. Can you give one public example of someone being infected again after having recovered from covid? My daughter is a nurse who has worked among infected covid patients, some of whom have died, and she showed symptoms of having gotten covid twice. The problem with her case is that the tests administered for covid were not totally reliable. Do you have a verifiable case of a reinfection?
 

marke

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There's a strong bias in today's culture that "natural" is always better. The problem is, the virus contains many proteins, some of which are useless as far as the immune system targeting the virus. The vaccines produce a single protein which allows the immune system to laser focus on the protein that allows entry into the cell. Having the virus and then getting vaccinated provides the best immunity - based on laboratory tests.

The other problem is, obviously, getting natural immunity means risking serious illness and death.
There seems to be no way to avoid the risk of getting covid and dying, whether by getting vaccinated or not.
 

marke

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People get covid and die whether they plan on it or not. That is the nature of sickness and disease. People get sick and die. Death is the end of all life, and natural selection or evolution cannot adequately explain why.
 

marke

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You're talking about using government coercion to force people into complying with health care decisions that should be theirs to make with the advice of their personal physician

Where does this end?

When you get tired of bearing the societal burden of people who are obese, do you use government coercion to force them into thinness?

When you get tired of bearing the societal burden of AIDS, do you use government coercion to force the largest demographic that spreads AIDS into isolation?
America is currently experiencing such fascist totalitarianism as it has never before since the democrats stole national power in the 2020 election.
 

User Name

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You might not get covid if you get vaccinated and you might not get sick if you take the vaccine. We cannot eliminate risks in life.
In fact we can minimize risks a great deal, and the history and success of vaccination is proof of that.
 

User Name

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The dumb and lazy cannot see why we need a Constitution or restraints on governmental authority. Stupidity, laziness, and sin are huge problems undermining freedom in America.
We need restraints on your authority and stupidity in order to preserve freedom in America.
 

marke

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In fact we can minimize risks a great deal, and the history and success of vaccination is proof of that.
Don't let me stop you from doing whatever you think will minimize risks for you. But let me stop you from thinking you should force me to take steps you approve of for what you think will minimize risks for me.
 
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