Do the following search on Google and see how many Christian organizations agree with me: fabian socialism, westcott, hort.
There is even as Google books pdf on Jack the ripper in which the author talks about Westcott and Hort and their occultism.
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There is even as Google books pdf on Jack the ripper in which the author talks about Westcott and Hort and their occultism.
Do you think that God is incapable of preserving His word?
If not, then why does it matter so much to you that some people promoted occultism?
Simply consider them to be resources for Biblical study, not authorities on what is and is not scripture, and the problem goes away entirely, for even a broken clock is right twice a day.
How did we even get on this subject?
What I said stands:
Just because you don't agree with someone on what they believe doesn't mean you get to dismiss what the Bible literally says.
We are living in the time of the end. The Bible tells us we need to be very aware of our enemy. I've tried to warn you. It's up to you to believe the warning or reject it.
1Peter 1: 6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:
7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
Revelation 12: 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Matthew 24: 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Let me know when it's the last minutes.
Can't do that if you're caught up in nonsense.
All you've done is make a fool of yourself.
I reject your rantings and ravings.
Funny how every single verse you quote to support your beliefs comes from books that are to or about Israel...
Huh...
Just because you don't agree with someone on what they believe doesn't mean you get to dismiss what the Bible literally says.
So no reply but instead a red herring. I guess another thread goes no where. He is outside the faith and trying to pull people from it. It is obvious.
Here is a link to a professor speaking to Wescott and Hort's occult beliefs.
Here is a quote from the following link.
Westcott & Hort: Translator's Beliefs
Westcott and Hort: Translator's Beliefs
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OCCULT INVOLVEMENT
Westcott and Hort founded several occult societies, two of which were “The Hermes Club” and “The Ghostly Guild.” These were not merely college projects. They were created at one of the highest learning institutions, in the world's largest imperial world-power at that time, Great Britain. Members of these clubs (and the occult associations which they went on to found, such as “The Society for Psychical Research” in 1882), started the Luciferian modern New Age Movement. They also became prominent members of British Royalty and politics, as well as occupied the highest positions in the Anglican Church (including that which is equivalent to that of the Pope in the Roman Catholic Church, the Archbishop of Canterbury). To say that Westcott and Hort were well connected is an understatement. The latter 19th century was a time of massive occult infiltration into nearly every major organization.
The excellent book, “New Age Bible Versions” by Dr. Gail Riplinger has this to say about Westcott and Hort:
B.F. Westcott is identified as “a mystic” by the standard reference work of his day: The Encyclopedia Britannica (1911). Princeton University Press' book, The Christian Socialist Revival (1968, Peter Da Jones) says B.F. Westcott was “a mystic” (page 179). The highly respected “Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics” identifies both B.F. Westcott and F.J.A. Hort as Alexandrian mystics (see 'Alexandrian Theology' et al.). The “Occult Illustrated Dictionary” makes reference to B.F. Westcott, Hort, and Lightfoot and their 'ghostly' games.
NEW AGE BIBLE VERSIONS (1:23 hour MP3 interview with Dr. Gail Riplinger). You need to hear this, because Satan is creeping into our churches through the corrupted modern Bible versions.
In a letter to his wife (dated October 23, 1864) Hort wrote (then age 36):
“We had a pleasant evening, six of Westcott's Sixth Form boys dining with us .... Then we worked till near dinner, when we had a very nice little party, the two De Morgans, H. M. Butler, Farrar, Brady and his mother, and H. W. Watson. Mrs. Brady ... came in the evening. We tried to turn tables, but the creatures wouldn't stir. Both the De Morgans were radiant and pleasant.”
The phrase “we tried to turn tables” is a direct reference to an occult séance and “the creatures” that “wouldn't stir” is a clear reference to the spirits that Hort and his guests were invoking to establish communication with. Westcott and Hort were accomplished practitioners of the occult. The sometimes promoted idea that these occult activities were only a part of Hort's younger days, is refuted by numerous quotes in the book, New Age Bible Versions. For example: Dr. Riplinger states:
“He speaks, as late as 1880 (age 55), about 'fellowship with the spiritual world'” and “the dominion which the dead have over us” (New Age Bible Versions, by Dr. Gail Riplinger; page 439).
Heretics Westcott and Hort were secretly working on their revised 1881 New Testament Greek text since as early as 1853-1857:
“The principle literary work of these years was the revision of the Greek Text of the New Testament. All spare hours were devoted to it.” (Life, Volume I, page 399; October 21, 1858 - Fenton Hort)
Clearly, Westcott and Hort were Occult practitioners during the time that they were revising the Greek Text of the New Testament. Their Master Greek text of 1881 has become the benchmark of the modern corrupt translations today with most people completely unaware of the historical occult connection. Please read, Occult Roots Of The Modern Bible Versions.
THEIR BELIEFS
Westcott and Hort believed the Greek text which underlies the KJV was perverse and corrupt. Hort called the Textus Receptus “vile and villainous” (Life and Letters of Fenton John Anthony Hort, Volume I, page 211). Since Westcott and Hort are the fathers of modern textual criticism and the restorers of the true text, we need to know something of their beliefs to see if they are consistent with Holy Scripture. This would be harmonious with the teaching found in Matthew 7:17.
Here's what Westcott and Hort said about their beliefs...
The Scriptures:
Idolater
"Foundation of the World" Dispensationalist χρ
The earliest Church lived and died on the Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible which was translated a couple hundred years before Christ and the Apostles, it's quoted all the time in the New Testament ---- whoops I forgot the N.T. is irredeemably corrupt according to your theory.
Nevermind.
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Body part
The "earliest church" lived long before the Septuagint.
Acts 7:38 (AKJV/PCE)
(7:38) This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and [with] our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
It's not my theory. It's fact.
It's plain you didn't bother listening to the video or reading any of the evidence.
Idolater
"Foundation of the World" Dispensationalist χρ
Oh I know EKKLESIA is all over the Septuagint, don't get me started on that. It as a noun means gathered group of people, and as a verb it means gathering. That's the Greek word which is translated Church, such as in Colossians 1:18
18 And he is the head of the body, the church.
18 και αυτος εστιν η κεφαλη του σωματος της εκκλησιας
That last word is transliterated EKKLESIAS
Red herring
If you knew me you would never say that. Did you actually go the the link and watch the video?
I find it odd that many people believe the church is corrupt but the fact that Bible translations are corrupted is an anathema them. How does the church become corrupted if all the Bible versions are honest? If the devil can deceive the millions of Christians why can't he deceive a couple of highly placed Bible translators? That's the weakest link in the chain.
You clearly have no idea what a red herring is.
This is a discussion forum, not a video sharing site.
Sinful humans who are easily deceived vs a book written and preserved by God.
Only the original manuscripts were perfect and without error.
Small errors have crept in over the centuries, simply as a result of minor errors in translation or damage to the documents.
But because of how the Bible was written, IE, as a history book with lessons contained within the story, and because it was written by one Author, with forty or so men being His pens, the overarching PLOT of the Bible, and the meaning contained within it, has gone UNCHANGED, despite any minor discrepancies.
Because God is capable of preserving His word in spite of and even in the face of human error.
The onus is on you to show that significant error, significant enough to alter the message contained within the Bible, was introduced. Good luck.
This is what I'm talking about, Gary.
I say that because you dropped a link to something I did not ask. I asked if you left it out on purpose or did you forget.
Here is one answer to the corruption of of Bibles in these days. The guy who led the team of translators who created The New New Testament is a part of the Jesus Seminar a group who believes Jesus was not resurrected but whose body was eaten by dog.
The panel relied heavily upon the Open English Bible for their paraphrase. Wescottt and Hort were relied upon for their manuscripts according to the OEB Bible FAQs.
uncertaintist.wordpress.com
The panel relied heavily upon the Open English Bible for their paraphrase. Wescottt and Hort were relied upon for their manuscripts according to the OEB Bible FAQs.
A Do-it-yourself New Testament
Tomorrow is the roll-out for Hal Taussig’s book, A New New Testament. The volume combines, with original commentary, the canonical New Testament plus ten other well-known ancient religious wr…
uncertaintist.wordpress.com
Here is one answer to the corruption of of Bibles in these days. The guy who led the team of translators who created The New New Testament is a part of the Jesus Seminar a group who believes Jesus was not resurrected but whose body was eaten by dog.
The panel relied heavily upon the Open English Bible for their paraphrase. Wescottt and Hort were relied upon for their manuscripts according to the OEB Bible FAQs.
A Do-it-yourself New Testament
Tomorrow is the roll-out for Hal Taussig’s book, A New New Testament. The volume combines, with original commentary, the canonical New Testament plus ten other well-known ancient religious wr…
The message of the Bible has not changed since it was written, Gary. God is to be praised for writing a book that can withstand the test of time!
Then why don't you give Him praise by reading the evidence given? The Bible says, come now let us reason together....
And Jesus said,
Matthew 24: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
When people pervert the Bible it is obvious and has a purpose. Never forget;
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made.
NKJV says cunning. That seems like the same thing. His lies are not compulsive, they are for a reason.
Acts 15 sticks out like a sore thumb to me with the NIV, that some rightly call the HIV.
KJV
11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
NKJV
11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
HIV/NIV
11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
That doesn't even fit the context of what Peter said to the counsel about gentiles.