Don't Tithe: Give more or less, but not 10%!
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But why must it be tithing with the right motive? By this you're requiring something extra of yourself that would cause the "right motive" to not come into play. When you take the tithe out of the picture it's easier to have a right motive when it comes to giving.
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Why do you make quotes about things that have NOTHING to do with the conversation at hand, and clearly NOTHING to do with the quote I gave?
READ IT AGAIN, you misguided pervert. It says NOTHING about how anyone should give. Paul is only directing them on what they should do with that which WAS given. What an idiot.
If we truly know and love God, we will do what pleases Him, not what is wrong or self-pleasing.
"Delight yourself in the Lord (LOVE GOD), and He will give you the desires of your heart (do as you please, because His delights will be your delights and we will not desire to do evil)."
Ps. 37:4
Quit nitpicking. Augustine had a pithy point that is proverbial, except to pungent people like petty Pharisee-sozo. Jesus essentially said the same thing. The law was summed up as loving God supremely and others equal as ourselves. If we love God and others, we will do what is good, right, and pleasing (read Rom. 12:1,2 about being transformed to do God's good, pleasing, perfect will with our bodies, not just imputed righteousness without practical implications).
Post # where I said tithing saves us or that works are essential for salvation? You must have read more into it than I intended.
I was talking about living the Christian life subsequent to salvation. Do you just sit around and meditate on your navel, or do you live in the world, home, and church. Do not confuse my views on justification by faith alone with praying, witnessing, good works (James), giving, loving, serving, ministering. These can be done for the glory of God and the good of man, but they do not save us (Rom. 1:16,17; Eph. 2:8-10 balance of faith/root and works/fruit).
Our Fellowship sets ten percent of our tithes aside for the Feasts of the Lord. When we celebrate Passover, or Pentecost, everything is paid for through the Church. Also the Church supports the widows and orphanages through the tithes on a weekly basis. Wr are encouraged to give some of our tithe to people in need, who cross our path.
We are not incorporated, we are a Church, of God!
Jesus said to tithe without neglecting the weigthier matters of the Law.
We are not incorporated, we are a Church, of God!
Jesus said to tithe without neglecting the weigthier matters of the Law.
So was Paul.
James was explicitly talking about being justified by works. He even said that verbatim...
James 2:24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
James unabashedly teaches law, in directly conflict with Paul's Gospel of Grace. You are reading other people's mail. You can try all you like to mix the two; the result of which will be confusion, frustration and failure.
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Clete
Is the Law still in effect, now that Christ has died and risen again? Or is grace in effect?
I am not trying to be cute, but I think that they are both in effect. The fact that we continue on each day with so much sin in our lives and in this world, proves to me that grace is in effect.
The fact that our consciences alert us, when we sin, proves that the law still exists.
However, I think that the definition of "the Law" is best defined as the 'teaching and instruction of God.'
One does not gain salvation by keeping to God's teaching and instructions, but neither is that a good reason to ignore them, as if they were all for a different people, time, or place! The commandments are for anyone who is a child of God. They bring life, and not death. They are for are good and not for our harm.
One can not be harmed by tithing, unless one sees it as a part of keeping all the "Law" unto salvation. Then the "law" becomes a curse.
If the New Covenant is a covenant of grace, and it is, then what does it mean when He states that He will write the "Law" on our hearts? Jeremiah 31-31thru34
The fact that our consciences alert us, when we sin, proves that the law still exists.
However, I think that the definition of "the Law" is best defined as the 'teaching and instruction of God.'
One does not gain salvation by keeping to God's teaching and instructions, but neither is that a good reason to ignore them, as if they were all for a different people, time, or place! The commandments are for anyone who is a child of God. They bring life, and not death. They are for are good and not for our harm.
One can not be harmed by tithing, unless one sees it as a part of keeping all the "Law" unto salvation. Then the "law" becomes a curse.
If the New Covenant is a covenant of grace, and it is, then what does it mean when He states that He will write the "Law" on our hearts? Jeremiah 31-31thru34
Salvation is life, so the law does not bring life, because it does not bring salvation.
Yes, there are moral standards that are good to follow, but they don't have anythign to do with our salvation. And the law is made of no effect with grace in effect. What do you think Romans 6:14 means?
Yes, there are moral standards that are good to follow, but they don't have anythign to do with our salvation. And the law is made of no effect with grace in effect. What do you think Romans 6:14 means?
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