Does Rom 5:18 teach that Christ died for all men without exception ?

beloved57

beloved57

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Nanja said:
Yes, I'm familiar wIth that verse, Brother. God is the preserver, soter, of all men Job 7:20 in that they exist for His Purpose and Will in His predestination of all His Creation, and makes them also dependent on Him.

Mat. 5:45
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

The vessels of honor, and the vessels of dishonor Rom. 9:22-23.

And this fact, all the more, confirms Limited or Particular Atonement.





True, but that Christ was the Saviour of all elect men, whether jew or gentile.
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Now in another sense God doesn't preserve the wicked Job 36:6

He*preserveth not the life of the wicked: but giveth right to the poor.

Because they are vessels of wrath.

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Calvinism is an insult to human intelligence.

It is also an insult to the English language. World, does not mean world. All Men, does not mean all men. Whosoever, does not mean everyone.
 
Nanja

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beloved57 said:
Now in another sense God doesn't preserve the wicked Job 36:6

He*preserveth not the life of the wicked: but giveth right to the poor.

Because they are vessels of wrath.

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TY!

Interesting, and the KJV Amplified reads:

"He does not prolong the life of the wicked,
but gives the needy and afflicted their right."

and verse 7 reads:
"He withdraws not His eyes from the righteous (the upright in right standing with God); but He sets them forever with kings upon the throne, and they are exalted.
 
beloved57

beloved57

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Robert Pate said:
Calvinism is an insult to human intelligence.

It is also an insult to the English language. World, does not mean world. All Men, does not mean all men. Whosoever, does not mean everyone.
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Worshipping your freewill god is an insult to God, its idolatry!

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beloved57

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The All in Rom 5:18 corresponds to the many in Rom 5:19, and many can't and doesn't mean all without exception!

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Nanja

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beloved57 said:
The All in Rom 5:18 corresponds to the many in Rom 5:19, and many can't and doesn't mean all without exception!

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Exactly stated Brother!

The All men in Rom 5:18 who originally sinned in their federal head Adam was not all men without exception, but was exclusive to the Elect of God chosen in union with Christ, their Covenant Head and Surety Heb. 7:22 before the foundation of the world Eph. 1:4.

So this same All Rom. 5:18 are also the Many that were made Righteous Rom. 5:19 by non-imputation of their sins to them, but imputed upon Christ their Surety instead, in the Everlasting Covenant of Grace Heb. 13:20; Is. 53:6.
 
beloved57

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Nanja said:
Exactly stated Brother!

The All men in Rom 5:18 who originally sinned in their federal head Adam was not all men without exception, but was exclusive to the Elect of God chosen in union with Christ, their Covenant Head and Surety Heb. 7:22 before the foundation of the world Eph. 1:4.

So this same All Rom. 5:18 are also the Many that were made Righteous Rom. 5:19 by non-imputation of their sins to them, but imputed upon Christ their Surety instead, in the Everlasting Covenant of Grace Heb. 13:20; Is. 53:6.
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Absolutely correct!

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beloved57

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Instead of Rom 5:18 teaching that Christ died for all without exception, it actually teaches limited atonement because the results following the actions of each head, One head being Adam, and the other Head being Jesus Christ, who we know is the Head of His Body the Church Eph 5:23

For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

Col 1:18

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Now lets look at Rom 5:18 with that truth in mind

Therefore as by the offence of one[Adam] judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one[Jesus Christ] the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Now the all men Adam represented as head, by his offence as their head, it resulted in their judgment unto condemnation, so even so, the all men Christ represented as Head, the Church, by His righteousness, comprised of His Life of obedience to Gods Moral Law, and His Death as the Just penalty of any one violation of Gods Law, as a result the all men he represented to them came upon Justification of Life, its the free gift of eternal life Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

So the results following the actions of each head for those represented determines who the all men are so:

So then as through one trespass [Adam’s sin] there resulted condemnation for all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted ju​stification of life to all men.


So the all men in Rom 5:18 b is limited to all men which as a result of Christ's Headship righteousness, it resulted in their Justification of Life !

And we know from other scripture that cannot apply to all men without exception ! What about those who shall never see life ? Jn 3:36

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Its impossible for any of them to be included in the all men who receive Justification of Life as a result of Christ's act of Righteousness !
 
Nanja

Nanja

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beloved57 said:
Instead of Rom 5:18 teaching that Christ died for all without exception, it actually teaches limited atonement because the results following the actions of each head, One head being Adam, and the other Head being Jesus Christ, who we know is the Head of His Body the Church Eph 5:23

[FONT=&]For the husband is the [/FONT]head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

Col 1:18

[FONT=&]And he is the [/FONT]head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Now lets look at Rom 5:18 with that truth in mind

Therefore as by the offence of one[Adam] judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one[Jesus Christ] the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Now the all men Adam represented as head, by his offence as their head, it resulted in their judgment unto condemnation, so even so, the all men Christ represented as Head, the Church, by His righteousness, comprised of His Life of obedience to Gods Moral Law, and His Death as the Just penalty of any one violation of Gods Law, as a result the all men he represented to them came upon Justification of Life, its the free gift of eternal life Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

So the results following the actions of each head for those represented determines who the all men are so:

[FONT=&]So then as through one trespass [Adam’s sin] there resulted condemnation for all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted ju​stification of life to all men.


So the all men in Rom 5:18 b is limited to all men which as a result of Christ's Headship righteousness, it resulted in their Justification of Life !

And we know from other scripture that cannot apply to all men without exception ! What about those who shall never see life ? Jn 3:36

[/FONT][FONT=&]He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Its impossible for any of them to be included in the all men who receive Justification of Life as a result of Christ's act of Righteousness ![/FONT]
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Amen Brother!

Perfectly explained according to the Truth of scripture.

Thanking Our Father for your fellowship in the Truth!
 
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