Does God Create Goats?

[Robert Pate]

I asked Mr. Religion this question, but he didn't answer. Maybe some of the other Calvinist on the Forum can answer the question for him. It is a very simple question that deserves an honest answer. If Calvinist believe that God creates goats so that he can damn then to hell, then Calvinist must conclude that God is an unjust, unmerciful, unrighteous tyrant.

Here is the problem with believing that about God, it is pure blasphemy. Not only is it blasphemy against God, it is also blasphemy against his Son and the Holy Spirit. There are some Calvinist on the Forum that believe Eve had sex with the serpent and created the goats. This is their way of getting around the problem of God creating goats and being unjust. The devil did it. Here is the problem with that, Satan does not have the power to create anything, much less goats.

How then does one become a goat? Goats are people that have rejected God's great free gift of salvation that has been provided by Jesus Christ, Romans 5:18. Some of the goats are Calvinist that are trying to enter into the sheepfold some other way than by the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Isn't it ironical that those who claim to be sheep are really goats? No one is born a goat. God never has and never will give life to people for the sole purpose of damning them to hell. They damn themselves to hell by rejecting Christ and his Gospel.

 

[nikolai_42]

I asked Mr. Religion this question, but he didn't answer. Maybe some of the other Calvinist on the Forum can answer the question for him. It is a very simple question that deserves an honest answer. If Calvinist believe that God creates goats so that he can damn then to hell, then Calvinist must conclude that God is an unjust, unmerciful, unrighteous tyrant.

Here is the problem with believing that about God, it is pure blasphemy. Not only is it blasphemy against God, it is also blasphemy against his Son and the Holy Spirit. There are some Calvinist on the Forum that believe Eve had sex with the serpent and created the goats. This is their way of getting around the problem of God creating goats and being unjust. The devil did it. Here is the problem with that, Satan does not have the power to create anything, much less goats.

How then does one become a goat? Goats are people that have rejected God's great free gift of salvation that has been provided by Jesus Christ, Romans 5:18. Some of the goats are Calvinist that are trying to enter into the sheepfold some other way than by the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Isn't it ironical that those who claim to be sheep are really goats? No one is born a goat. God never has and never will give life to people for the sole purpose of damning them to hell. They damn themselves to hell by rejecting Christ and his Gospel.

The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
Proverbs 16:4

The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
Psalm 58:3

So do people come out of the womb neutral? Good? Bad? Or are some good? Neutral? Bad? If you believe that God only creates good people, then you must read it that the devil creates all the rest, right?

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
John 8:44

EDIT: You did specifically say that the devil doesn't create anything...so you need to address this scripture as well.

However, if everyone must be born again to enter the kingdom of heaven, then how is it wrong to say that all those born of women are born into sin (and, naturally, are goats)?

 

[Jacob]

Shalom.

What is being said here is crazy talk. God created goats, yes. And sheep, and lambs.

Shalom.

Jacob

 

[Nang]

I asked Mr. Religion this question, but he didn't answer. Maybe some of the other Calvinist on the Forum can answer the question for him. It is a very simple question that deserves an honest answer. If Calvinist believe that God creates goats so that he can damn then to hell, then Calvinist must conclude that God is an unjust, unmerciful, unrighteous tyrant.

Here is the problem with believing that about God, it is pure blasphemy. Not only is it blasphemy against God, it is also blasphemy against his Son and the Holy Spirit. There are some Calvinist on the Forum that believe Eve had sex with the serpent and created the goats. This is their way of getting around the problem of God creating goats and being unjust. The devil did it. Here is the problem with that, Satan does not have the power to create anything, much less goats.

How then does one become a goat? Goats are people that have rejected God's great free gift of salvation that has been provided by Jesus Christ, Romans 5:18. Some of the goats are Calvinist that are trying to enter into the sheepfold some other way than by the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Isn't it ironical that those who claim to be sheep are really goats? No one is born a goat. God never has and never will give life to people for the sole purpose of damning them to hell. They damn themselves to hell by rejecting Christ and his Gospel.

There is only one Creator of mankind, and "Does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use, and another for common use?" Romans 9:21

 

[Nang]

The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
Proverbs 16:4

The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
Psalm 58:3

So do people come out of the womb neutral? Good? Bad? Or are some good? Neutral? Bad? If you believe that God only creates good people, then you must read it that the devil creates all the rest, right?

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
John 8:44

EDIT: You did specifically say that the devil doesn't create anything...so you need to address this scripture as well.

However, if everyone must be born again to enter the kingdom of heaven, then how is it wrong to say that all those born of women are born into sin (and, naturally, are goats)?

The devil is not a creator. He is the father of lying spirits and he holds depraved men in bondage through their fear of death, but Satan never had the power to create.

 

[Robert Pate]

It is true that all men are born sinners, but it is not true that all men are created without hope and are eternally doomed to damnation. To say or to believe that is to blasphemy God and to hold the truth in unrighteousness.

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men WHO HOLD THE TRUTH IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them: for God has showed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen that are made, even his eternal power and God head: so they are without excuse" Romans 1:18-20.

So, when you wind up in hell, don't blame God. YOU ARE WITHOUT AN EXCUSE.

 

[daqq]

I asked Mr. Religion this question, but he didn't answer. Maybe some of the other Calvinist on the Forum can answer the question for him. It is a very simple question that deserves an honest answer. If Calvinist believe that God creates goats so that he can damn then to hell, then Calvinist must conclude that God is an unjust, unmerciful, unrighteous tyrant.

Here is the problem with believing that about God, it is pure blasphemy. Not only is it blasphemy against God, it is also blasphemy against his Son and the Holy Spirit. There are some Calvinist on the Forum that believe Eve had sex with the serpent and created the goats. This is their way of getting around the problem of God creating goats and being unjust. The devil did it. Here is the problem with that, Satan does not have the power to create anything, much less goats.

How then does one become a goat? Goats are people that have rejected God's great free gift of salvation that has been provided by Jesus Christ, Romans 5:18. Some of the goats are Calvinist that are trying to enter into the sheepfold some other way than by the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Isn't it ironical that those who claim to be sheep are really goats? No one is born a goat. God never has and never will give life to people for the sole purpose of damning them to hell. They damn themselves to hell by rejecting Christ and his Gospel.

It is true that all men are born sinners, but it is not true that all men are created without hope and are eternally doomed to damnation. To say or to believe that is to blasphemy God and to hold the truth in unrighteousness.

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men WHO HOLD THE TRUTH IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them: for God has showed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen that are made, even his eternal power and God head: so they are without excuse" Romans 1:18-20.

So, when you wind up in hell, don't blame God. YOU ARE WITHOUT AN EXCUSE.

You are making the same mistake Calvinists and Reformers seem to always make: goats are used in the parables of the Master as merely symbolism for devils and demons, (the same as the "tares" among the wheat). The scripture likewise admonishes us not to call any man unclean, (Acts 10:28, and if it is good enough for Peter should it not be good enough for us?). People are not demons, devils, or goats, and therefore people are not cast into literal eternal conscious torment in a literal everlasting fiery hell. The Master likewise tells you that aionion fire is prepared for the Devil and his messengers or angels, (and thus it is symbolic for sins being sent away forever).

 

[Robert Pate]

You are making the same mistake Calvinists and Reformers seem to always make: goats are used in the parables of the Master as merely symbolism for devils and demons, (the same as the "tares" among the wheat). The scripture likewise admonishes us not to call any man unclean, (Acts 10:28, and if it is good enough for Peter should it not be good enough for us?). People are not demons, devils, or goats, and therefore people are not cast into literal eternal conscious torment in a literal everlasting fiery hell. The Master likewise tells you that aionion fire is prepared for the Devil and his messengers or angels, (and thus it is symbolic for sins being sent away forever).

The reason that Peter said that we should not call any man common or unclean, Acts 10:28, is because Jesus died on the cross for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. There is not one soul on this planet that Jesus did not shed his blood for. Salvation has been provided for everyone, but not everyone wants it.

 

[daqq]

The reason that Peter said that we should not call any man common or unclean, Acts 10:28, is because Jesus died on the cross for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. There is not one soul on this planet that Jesus did not shed his blood for. Salvation has been provided for everyone, but not everyone wants it.

That does not make them "goats" destined for "everlasting hell fire", (which is prepared for "the Devil and his angels"). Also, when the unclean spirit, (the goat in this allegorical symbolism), is cast out of a man, he traverses through dry-arid desert places seeking rest: and finding none, he says to himself, "I will return to my house from where I came out". And when he comes, he finds it swept and garnished, (with new idols). Then he goes and associates in league with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter therein, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse off than the first, (cf. Luke 11:24-26), for every man is likened to a house in the doctrine, parables, and teachings of the Master. Therefore the Master says, Watch! (Mark 13:37), O porter of the door of your house, (Mark 13:34).

And who shall live when El does this? :chuckle:

 

[Robert Pate]

That does not make them "goats" destined for "everlasting hell fire", (which is prepared for "the Devil and his angels"). Also, when the unclean spirit, (the goat in this allegorical symbolism), is cast out of a man, he traverses through dry-arid desert places seeking rest: and finding none, he says to himself, "I will return to my house from where I came out". And when he comes, he finds it swept and garnished, (with new idols). Then he goes and associates in league with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter therein, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse off than the first, (cf. Luke 11:24-26), for every man is likened to a house in the doctrine, parables, and teachings of the Master. Therefore the Master says, Watch! (Mark 13:37), O porter of the door of your house, (Mark 13:34).

And who shall live when El does this? :chuckle:

There are only two eternal places, one is heaven, the other is hell. All that are trusting in Christ as their savior are promised eternal life in heaven. Those that reject the free gift of salvation provided by Jesus Christ will be damned to hell. This is what the Bible teaches. The sheep are those that are saved. The lost are goats.

 

[daqq]

There are only two eternal places, one is heaven, the other is hell. All that are trusting in Christ as their savior are promised eternal life in heaven. Those that reject the free gift of salvation provided by Jesus Christ will be damned to hell. This is what the Bible teaches. The sheep are those that are saved. The lost are goats.

Again, not actually provable by the scripture because you are taking allegories and parables and forcing them into literal realities. Even the parable of the rich man and Lazarus does not end the way it seems most assume that it does, (because of the chapter break put in the wrong place). Lazarus is one of the "little ones" and therefore one cannot understand the parable until he or she understands who are the "little ones" in the doctrine of the Master, (for he came "to save that which was lost", and literal children are not lost). You are mixing human beings with goats and tares in your doctrine.

 

[Robert Pate]

Again, not actually provable by the scripture because you are taking allegories and parables and forcing them into literal realities. Even the parable of the rich man and Lazarus does not end the way it seems most assume that it does, (because of the chapter break put in the wrong place). Lazarus is one of the "little ones" and therefore one cannot understand the parable until he or she understands who are the "little ones" in the doctrine of the Master, (for he came "to save that which was lost", and literal children are not lost). You are mixing human beings with goats and tares in your doctrine.

Everyone is born lost until they are born again by the word of God, which is the Gospel, 1 Peter 1:23.

The Bible clearly portraits people as sheep or goats. What are you talking about?

 

[jamie]

The Bible clearly portraits people as sheep or goats.

Goats were used for atonement.

 

[daqq]

Everyone is born lost until they are born again by the word of God, which is the Gospel, 1 Peter 1:23.

The Bible clearly portraits people as sheep or goats. What are you talking about?

So you say that children are born lost.
Now you sound like a Calvinist-reformer . . . :chuckle:

 

[Jonahdog]

Shalom.

What is being said here is crazy talk. God created goats, yes. And sheep, and lambs.

Shalom.

Jacob

No, goats evolved.

 

[KingdomRose]

I asked Mr. Religion this question, but he didn't answer. Maybe some of the other Calvinist on the Forum can answer the question for him. It is a very simple question that deserves an honest answer. If Calvinist believe that God creates goats so that he can damn then to hell, then Calvinist must conclude that God is an unjust, unmerciful, unrighteous tyrant.

Here is the problem with believing that about God, it is pure blasphemy. Not only is it blasphemy against God, it is also blasphemy against his Son and the Holy Spirit. There are some Calvinist on the Forum that believe Eve had sex with the serpent and created the goats. This is their way of getting around the problem of God creating goats and being unjust. The devil did it. Here is the problem with that, Satan does not have the power to create anything, much less goats.

How then does one become a goat? Goats are people that have rejected God's great free gift of salvation that has been provided by Jesus Christ, Romans 5:18. Some of the goats are Calvinist that are trying to enter into the sheepfold some other way than by the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Isn't it ironical that those who claim to be sheep are really goats? No one is born a goat. God never has and never will give life to people for the sole purpose of damning them to hell. They damn themselves to hell by rejecting Christ and his Gospel.

Of course God doesn't create goats! That idea IS blasphemous. His purpose for creating humans in the first place was so that He could have relationships with other beings that would care for Him as much as He cared for them.....a reciprocal interchange. What purpose at all would He have for creating people who would be hateful for their entire existence? You are right---no one is born a goat. They are responsible for their own destruction.

 

[Jacob]

No, goats evolved.

Shalom.

No. Incorrect.

Shalom.

Jacob

 

[Jonahdog]

Shalom.

No. Incorrect.

Shalom.

Jacob

You need to study more for the next quiz

 

[Jacob]

You need to study more for the next quiz

Shalom.

God does not grade me down for saying that goats have not evolved. Since there is no such thing as evolution. God did not create any animal by evolution. Evolution is not true. Animals do not evolve.

Shalom.

Jacob

 

[Jonahdog]

Shalom.

God does not grade me down for saying that goats have not evolved. Since there is no such thing as evolution. God did not create any animal by evolution. Evolution is not true. Animals do not evolve.

Shalom.

Jacob

You are misguided, on a # of levels.