Do you have to believe in the Trinity to be a Christian?
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This just shows what a troll you are, as you quote a verse and pay NO attention to the fact it is directed at yourself. :loser:
I do believe in the Son, as my God and savior. Typically you and your ilk ignore direct scripture and deflect with others that don't mention His divinity as if they are the ONLY verses that count. FYI, ALL of Jesus' words count and are to be assimilated.
Why should I quote it when it is well known to true believers, as you claim to be. I have no idea why you quoted the above.
genuineoriginal
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Here is the verse again.
Ezekiel 13:7 7 Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The Lord saith it; albeit I have not spoken? |
All through this thread, I have been stating that the Bible does not teach the Trinity.
I am not saying the Lord said something He did not speak.
All through this thread, you have been stating that the Bible explicitly teaches the Trinity, even though you have never been able to provide any proof of your allegations.
You are saying that the Bible says something it does not say.
The verse is about your actions, not about mine.
Learn what is actually written in the Bible before claiming that it says something it does not say.
genuineoriginal
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I believes the word of the Bible over the words of man, you do not.
The testimony of the Bible is that God the Father is the only one to worship and Jesus is the Son of God who was sent by God the Father.
You don't want to believe the testimony of the scripture, so you twist it in your mind until you believe it says God the Son instead of Son of God.
Why don't you start practicing what you preach?
Matthew 10:32-33 32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. |
Stop denying the Son of God before man and start confessing that Jesus is the Son of God sent by God the Father.
In your version, God did not send anyone.
oatmeal
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As I said, what would you know about actually believing scripture.
You do not choose to believe God's testimony of Himself and His son, so you add to God's word with words like "God-man" and trinity, triune, fully God fully man etc.
Why don't you simply believe what is written instead of adding to the text?
oatmeal
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That is a fascinating tale.
Now, can we get back to scripture?
Jesus is a man approved of God, Acts 2:22
the man Christ Jesus is the one mediator between God and men. I Timothy 2:5
Truth is simple, it does not require any smoke and mirrors.
"Being" and "Person" let us get back to scripture and show me where those terms are used as you use them to define God.
Your God (Gods) is not the one found in scripture.
Since you choose to worship and serve a god of your own making, that is your choice.
I will serve the God of scripture.
Apple7
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No scripture thwarts The Trinity.
oatmeal
Well-known member
Where does scripture say that?
Jesus is a man approved of God Acts 2:22
The man Christ Jesus is the one mediator between God and men I Timothy 2:5
Even as the head of every man is Christ, even so, the head of Christ is God I Corinthians 11:3
Why not believe what is written?
Cruciform
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...your preferred interpretations of Scripture, you mean.
You can quote all the biblical texts you like which indicate that Jesus Christ is a man, and it will do absolutely nothing to negate our position, since Trinitarians wholeheartedly affirm that Jesus is a man. We simply deny your false assertion that He is ONLY a man. Try again.
Let us get back to Scripture and show me where the Bible states that "Only terms which are used explicitly in Scripture may be employed by Christians to explain their beliefs." Chapter-and-verse, please.
On the contrary.
Try again.
You can go ahead and just apply that to yourself.
Already categorically refuted above. Try again.
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
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Apple7
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Already comprehended by The Trinity.
Think about it while you are on vacation...:guitar:
and all through this thread you have been wrong and refuse to admit it. So be it...you will have NO excuse when the time comes, but you WILL bow you knee and confess exactly who Jesus really is.
Only people like you, who constantly say to learn what the Bible says, practise the contrary. You're like a broken record, incapable of moving on from your inculcated views.
The BIBLE says Jesus is our savior. The Bible says that God is our savior, thus Jesus is our God and Savior, and ONE with His father and the Holy Spirit, our Triune God.
As you don't use it and deny that which is given you, I can only conclude this is a bold faced lie.
Jesus said: I and the Father are one.
Jesus said: If you've seen me you've seen the Father.
Jesus said: If you knew me, you would know my Father also.
Jesus said: You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only.
Jesus said: If you do not believe that I am He, you will indeed die in your sins.
Jesus said: You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am.
Jesus said: Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
Broken record, its been refuted over and over, and of course you will not admit it. Nothing new under the sun.
1Mind1Spirit
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genuineoriginal
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You continue to prove your lack of understanding.
You don't even believe what the Bible says.
You ignore much of what the Bible actually says.
Acts 5:31 31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. |
PneumaPsucheSoma
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That demon (YOU, Apple7BS) is treating me as arrogantly and pejoratively as always... Mr. Pseudo-Wannabe-Christian.
and here, we have;
Denial
Denial
Denial
You do know what denial is as you do it ALL the time, but NEVER directly answer posts that refute your POV. No use wasting anymore time on you.
Ignored!
I think you should place yourself on ignore as well.