turbosixx
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I agree on both accounts
One of my points is when I see in scripture parables or stories or statements about who will be sent to Hell or will not inherit the kingdom of Heaven, it always comes down to what "they do".
DO WE HAVE TO KEEP THE LAW
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I agree on both accounts
One of my points is when I see in scripture parables or stories or statements about who will be sent to Hell or will not inherit the kingdom of Heaven, it always comes down to what "they do".
All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. This is Romans 3:23 NASB. So what we have done is sin (see Romans 5:12 NASB), and that means that apart from Christ our destiny is the lake of fire.
turbosixx
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I agree, so those who are NOT in Christ are lost but those IN Christ are saved. I believe we must do something to be in Christ, if there is nothing we must do to be in Christ then everyone is saved. How does one come to be in Christ and can we be cast out once we are part of Christ is the subject of much debate. I believe there are things we must do to be added to Christ and things we must continue to do to stay in Christ.
But not what they do now, rather it's what they do at the Last Day.
Jesus bought two different resurrections with his sacrifice.
Why do you make straw man argument?
No ones says our works alone save us. Faithfulness comes with works.
Faith alone makes dead faith. James says faith without deed is dead, remember?
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turbosixx
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Could you please explain what you mean by these statements. If I understand you correctly we are in the last days and we don't know when our last day will be so we should always be ready.
1 Thes. 1 Now as to the times and the epochs, brethren, you have no need of anything to be written to you. 2 For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night.
As for two resurrections, I assume you mean that when we are added to Christ our soul is saved from death and then after we die our soul is saved from Hell fire.
iouae
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Oh no, my old friend. I see you are banned.
Is it because you are not free to do what you want, any old time?
heir
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Which do you have to keep?
heir
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Matthew 15:24 KJV, Romans 15:8 KJV
heir
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To what it really says, amen.
Galatians 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
heir
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Saved by grace through faith, but? There is no but involved in our salvation. Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV
heir
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You best worry about yourself since the only gospel that will save you is Paul's. Romans 1:16 KJV, Romans 2:16 KJV, Romans 16:25-26 KJV, 2 Timothy 2:7-8 KJV
heir
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I am without mine. Why aren't you?
heir
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Those who receive the gift are those who receive the love of the truth by trusting the Lord believing the gospel of our salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV). God will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth so access must be to all and that's exactly what we see Paul testify in due time!
1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1 Timothy 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
heir
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This is faulty thinking on your part. Just because salvation is by grace through faith doesn't mean that all are saved. You must believe to have the righteousness of God upon you yet it is unto all.
Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
That righteousness is revealed in the gospel of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV)/the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth. (Romans 1:16-17 KJV).
Your problem is unbelief.
Paul's two statements in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 are but a small part of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
If indeed salvation is by God's grace then these two statements are not really essential to salvation.
The heart of salvation is Jesus' statement that no one has access to the Father except through him.
Ben Masada
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I don't want to break any part of the Law. I love them all. However, no one is forced to observe the Law. We all have been created with Freewill. Therefore, we have only ourselves to blame for transgressing the Law.
iouae
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I am very favourably disposed towards the law, especially the 10C and the 1050 do's and don'ts commanded in the NT.
I am so glad we don't stone sinners today or kill sacrifices as in many of the 613 OT laws. If we did, we would have the same Sharia accusations thrown at us.
In a society where Jesus rules on earth, and the mainstream is God fearing, only then could sins like adultery be severely punished after perhaps being warned to go and sin no more. In today's society, if we applied the letter of God's law, most of us have committed a capital crime, by even say, cursing our folks.
