ECT Dispensationalism Defined

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As usual you are confused.
No. As usual you do not take the time to digest content so offered up for personal review and consideration. Interact with the content rather than summarily waving off anything I have to say.

Jerry, you have repeatedly shown yourself to be an intellectually lazy sort, preferring to rest in your own odd views and ignoring those that have come before us, as if you are somehow imbued with a greater presence of the Spirit of illumination than others. This is arrogance, and ignores the command to take every thought captive for the glory of God. You cannot take captive the thoughts of others without first digesting them, interacting substantively with them. Do that and show yourself approved.

As I have asked you repeatedly, have you spoken with your Pastor about some of the views you espouse? Are you a member of a visible vestige of the Lord's bride wherein you covenant your membership and submit to its ordained authorities for worship, instruction, fellowship, access to the ordinary means of grace via Word and Sacrament, and discipline? Yes or no? If not, then you should restrict yourself to personal views offered up outside the interpretations of the community of saints—said community being the only way Holy Writ teaches us (see 2 Tim 1:13) that said interpretation should be offered.

As it stands, you are stranded on an island and it shows.

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As the content linked in my post indicates, this would be a true statement given the plain meaning of "dispensation". Unfortunately, as the content so linked goes on to note the plain term is co-opted by underlying views that would seek to distinguish "dispensation" beyond the lexical freight the word carries.

It really is worth a read:

http://www.frame-poythress.org/ebooks/understanding-dispensationalists/

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I'm not interested in "lexical freight."

It is Biblical that God instituted dispensations, thus we should all be dispensationalists.
 

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It seems nothing good come out of this kind of theology, IMO. Just like Calvinism. It just adds to messy Christianity even more.

sad.
Actually, what is genuinely sad is your disobedience to our Lord's own words in Mark 6:10-11. Here Our Lord teaches that those who will not receive the words of those He has appointed, do in fact not receive Our Lord and judgment is upon them. One of those so appointed was Paul, an appointed apostle you reject and therefore heap judgment upon yourself at the Second Coming of our Lord. You also reject the other books of Scripture authored by Our Lord's appointed, e.g., Peter, James.

Would that we all obey the whole counsel of Holy Writ (Acts 20:27) and confess its patterns of sound teaching in community. Again, the sadness is that not a few prefer to hod onto a hodgepodge of this or that and never take the time to examine that which they hold dear in painful detail such that they can know what they profess and perhaps even possess.

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No. As usual you do not take the time to digest content so offered up for personal review and consideration. Interact with the content rather than summarily waving off anything I have to say.

Jerry, you have repeatedly shown yourself to be an intellectually lazy sort, preferring to rest in your own odd views and ignoring those that have come before us, as if you are somehow imbued with a greater presence of the Spirit of illumination than others. This is arrogance, and ignores the command to take every thought captive for the glory of God. You cannot take captive the thoughts of others without first digesting them, interacting substantively with them. Do that and show yourself approved.

As I have asked you repeatedly, have you spoken with your Pastor about some of the views you espouse? Are you a member of a visible vestige of the Lord's bride wherein you covenant your membership and submit to its ordained authorities for worship, instruction, fellowship, access to the ordinary means of grace via Word and Sacrament, and discipline? Yes or no? If not, then you should restrict yourself to personal views offered up outside the interpretations of the community of saints—said community being the only way Holy Writ teaches us (see 2 Tim 1:13) that said interpretation should be offered.

As it stands, you are stranded on an island and it shows.

AMR

Respectfully, MR, as much as I dislike his ways, I can still see that he is still far and away much closer to the truth of this issue than your above list of dos and don'ts can ever hope to bring one to.
 

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Respectfully, MR, as much as I dislike his ways, I can still see that he is still far and away much closer to the truth of this issue than your above list of dos and don'ts can ever hope to bring one to.

This is the third in as many days that you have chimed in with something directed at me when I have responded to Jerry, all the while offering up nothing but flowery prose that may gratify a need to appeal to the hoi polloi or flatter yourself. Job done. I see you. You have been seen by others. Now, rather than wax eloquent insipidly in drive-by posts, bring something more substantive and on point to the table.

AMR
 

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Again, I ask question for all: Can it be agreed on, regardless of which side of the dispensational issue you stand, that God's reason for creating man was have a vast family of pro-created sons?
 

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This is the third in as many days that you have chimed in with something directed at me when I have responded to Jerry, all the while offering up nothing but flowery prose that may gratify a need to appeal to the hoi polloi or flatter yourself. Job done. I see you. You have been seen by others. Now, rather than wax eloquent insipidly in drive-by posts, bring something more substantive and on point to the table.

AMR

You assert things against Dispensationalism. I disagree. My posts are never at you, rather, at your assertions.

You ask people think things through. I do. Its why I write the way I do.

You conclude some thing else.

Luke 12

42 And the Lord said, “Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his master will make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?

A Stewardship or Dispensation involves six issues:

A Lord dispensing unto

A faithful and wise Steward a Stewardship

Over a Household on said Lord's behalf

To give or dispense unto Them Their Meat

In Due Season, Dispensation or Oiconomia.

Case in point, what the Apostle Paul wrote to those Body members at Ephesus as to that Stewardship, the Lord had given Him concerning a Household and its respective, Due Season Meat.

Ephesians 2:

19. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20. And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21. In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22. In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Ephesians 3:

1. For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2. If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3. How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4. Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5. Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6. That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
7. Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
8. Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
9. And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
10. To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
11. According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
12. In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.

Case in point, what the writer of Hebrews wrote to them:

Hebrews 3:

1. Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
2. Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.
3. For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.
4. For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.
5. And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;
6. But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

A Stewardship or Dispensation involves six issues:

A Lord dispensing unto

A faithful and wise Steward a Stewardship

Over a Household on said Lord's behalf

To give or dispense unto Them Their Meat

In Due Season, Dispensation or Oiconomia.

Promise - [transition] Law - [interruption] Mystery Grace - Kingdom Grace -[resumption and transition] - Kingdom Fulness.

"Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named," Eph. 3:15
 

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See my above post to MR.

Sorry but, that is not what I am after as the reason I asked. The question has nothing to do with the "dispensing of time" except as it pertains to God succeeding in His quest that is, if you believe sons are what He was and is after and that Christian man, in general, doesn't realize it.
 

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Sorry but, that is not what I am after as the reason I asked. The question has nothing to do with the "dispensing of time" except as it pertains to God succeeding in His quest that is, if you believe sons are what He was and is after and that Christian man, in general, doesn't realize it.

One, who said anything about the dispensing of time. That is your reading into those passages.

Two, state what you are after or risk ending up like Jerry; suspect before all but a few as ever baiting others that he might corner them in to his being able to proudly assert "WRONG!"
 

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A Stewardship or Dispensation involves six issues:

A Lord dispensing unto

A faithful and wise Steward a Stewardship

Over a Household on said Lord's behalf

To give or dispense unto Them Their Meat

Their Meat?

What is the "Meat" in the present dispensation of the grace of God?
 
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One, who said anything about the dispensing of time. That is your reading into those passages.

I did and have before you ever thought of coming on the forum. I gave you the definition. Can't help it if Darby & co. got it wrong?

Two, state what you are after or risk ending up like Jerry; suspect before all but a few as ever baiting others that he might corner them in to his being able to proudly assert "WRONG!"

My question was sincerely asked with no hint of any bait being in it. You apparently have never ever considered it that your hostility be so 'loud'. but, perhaps you were just caught off guard?
 
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Jerry Shugart

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No. As usual you do not take the time to digest content so offered up for personal review and consideration.

No matter what content you issued up what you said here is wrong:

One sentence:

A dispenationalist divides the course of history into a number of distinct epochs—epochs in which God works out a particular phase of his overall plan—wherein each epoch represents a “dispensation” or a particular phase in which there are distinctive ways in which God exerts His government over the world and tests human obedience and disobedience.​

As usual you are confused. A dispensationalist does not divide the course of history into a number of distinct epochs.

Instead, he divides them into a number of distinct stewardships.

You do not even understand the most basic things about dispensationalism but yet you have somehow tricked your mind into believing that you are an expert on dispensationalism.

No matter what you "offer up" the fact remains that dispensationalists divides the course of history into "stewardships" and not "epochs."

So save your lectures for someone else because you do not even understand the basic things about dispensationalism.
 
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1Mind1Spirit

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I did and have before you ever thought of coming on the forum. I gave you the definition. Can help if Darby & co. got it wrong?



My question was sincerely asked with no hint of any bait being in it. You apparently have never ever considered it that your hostility be so 'loud'. but, perhaps you were just caught off guard?

:cheers:

On sonship and Danoh being delusionally paranoid. :Shimei:
 

Jerry Shugart

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A Stewardship or Dispensation involves six issues:

A Lord dispensing unto

A faithful and wise Steward a Stewardship

Over a Household on said Lord's behalf

To give or dispense unto Them Their Meat

Their Meat?

What is the "Meat" in the present dispensation of the grace of God?
 
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Danoh

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Their Meat?

What is the "Meat" in the present dispensation of the grace of God?

Sorry, you'll have to bait someone else.

I am not on your grading curve; which is all you are ever after; your every post to one and all this same recurrent tactic.

As you were told you years ago on here, you should just post your view; not use it as a means to bait others into your oft declaration "WRONG!" just after someone answers your question and no matter what their answer is, unless it matches yours.

You'd be surprised you and I agree on some things.

BUT I WILL NOT BE PARTY TO YOUR NEED TO PROVE OTHERS WRONG WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE, RATHER, THAT YOU MIGHT GLORY ONCE MORE IN YOUR NEED TO BE RIGHT.

I'll be surprised should you now not pull your usual, "so you mean that you agree that" this, that, and the other, nonsense of yours.

I'll defend you as a fellow believer who is also Mid-Acts, but I will NOT support your ways and its agenda - especially your nonsense against our own.
 
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