Truth is what we have to give.
That's what we're trying to determine.
So don't beg the question.
The fact that we use the Bible as our main source, makes it so.
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We don't have traditions that we rely on, just the Bible.
"The Bible [is] our main source" implies that you have other sources that you use.
Which means you lied when you said, "just the Bible.
Deceiver, why do you lie?
The Bible makes it very clear that Jesus is the Son of God,
The Son of God is God.
Spoiler
Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter.And Jesus walked in the temple, in Solomon’s porch.Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, “How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.”Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me.But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.I and My Father are one.”Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him.Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?”The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods”’?If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me;but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him.”Therefore they sought again to seize Him, but He escaped out of their hand. - John 10:22-39 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John10:22-39&version=NKJV
not God himself.
If Jesus was not God, then His death, burial, and resurrection, saved NO ONE, because, as only a man, his life would not be valuable enough to ransom for anyone else.
If he were, he would have been offering up his prayers to himself
No, He wouldn't. This is a straw man.
in effect, talking to himself. In what context would that ever make sense?
Again, a straw man argument.
God is triune, not unitarian.
That means one BEING, three PERSONS.
Prayer is simply someone on earth communicating with God in the spiritual realm.
Jesus (on earth) the Son prayed to (communicated with) His Father in Heaven. His Father is also God. The Holy Spirit is also God.
There is one God, He is three Persons.
The Son can pray to the Father, and can send the Holy Spirit, and it's still God doing it.
There are no writings that are greater than the Bible.
Agreed.
People have made this false claim because our reasoning on the Scriptures makes perfect sense.
Wait, which false claim?
They feel that it can't possibly be that simple and there are no mysteries that we cannot explain.
The Trinity seems pretty simple to me.
That statement " millions now living will never die " still applies today,
It cannot apply today, as only a handful of those millions still live today.
Remember, that claim was made almost 100 years ago.
Not many people live to be 100.
since the end of this system of things has not happened yet.
Then why make the claim?
Why not say, "Millions who will be alive at the time of Christ's return will not diie"?
Oh, right, that sort of claim doesn't sell books.
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In 1921 there was no date to go with that statement.
In a sense, there was. Not a specific date, I agree, but it did say within millions of peoples' lifetimes.
Which means before the end of those people's lives.
In addition, it was simply a statement, not a prophecy.
No, it was a prophecy.
I have photographs of a copy of the book, "Harp of God".
Here is the title page:
And you're telling me that this is not a prophecy?:
Your fourth accusation makes no sense, hence I will not attempt to address it.
I brought forth no fourth witness. Only three did I bring, as only three did I need.
That will not be necessary
You are now on record saying that it is not necessary to read the Bible cover to cover.
Would you care to retract that statement?
as all you have to do is quote any scripture in the KJV,
When was the last time you read the Bible (not the NWT) cover to cover?
and I will use the NWT to prove that they say essentially the same thing.
εν αρχη ην ο λογος και ο λογος ην προς τον θεον και θεος ην ο λογος
προσδεχομενοι την μακαριαν ελπιδα και επιφανειαν της δοξης του μεγαλου θεου και σωτηρος ημων χριστου ιησου
σιμων πετρος δουλος και αποστολος ιησου χριστου τοις ισοτιμον ημιν λαχουσιν πιστιν εν δικαιοσυνη του θεου ημων και σωτηρος ιησου χριστου
Check and mate.
The only difference, if there is one, would be that the KJV
I don't use the KJV.
I prefer the NKJV.
But more than that, I prefer the WH.
is a revision of a translation,
Actually, no, it's more than that.
It's a retranslation from the Greek manuscripts to English, using the Bishops as a starting point.
There has been only one translation for the NKJV.
From Hebrew and Greek (including some Aramaic), to English.
See http://kgov.com/kjo
and the NWT is a translation of the original writings
Show us these "original writings" that you speak of.
like the Dead Sea Scrolls.
The Dead Sea Scrolls are not "original writings."
They are copies of copies of the originals.
The original writings trump revisions everytime.
The "original writings" do not exist anymore. What we have are COPIES.
Jehovah's Witnesses did not change the Bible.
Uh, yes they did. For example:
Where the WH has:
εν αρχη ην ο λογος και ο λογος ην προς τον θεον και θεος ην ο λογος
The NWT has:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
In which they ignore the Granville-Sharp rule.
The translators of the NWT agreed that a revision of a current translation would not be good enough. They decided to use the original writings instead to make sure that people would have the most accurate information possible. No tricks, no slight of hand, simple accuracy.
See above, where they failed.
First, if we have an iPad, or any other electronic device, we purchased it ourselves.
Are you required, if you have one, to use a specific app, and not allowed to download any other Bible app?
Second, many Witnesses use a King James Bible as a reference to verify that both Bible's are in agreement. You might want to ask for a New World Translation for a simple donation.
You do realize that they have a version online, right?
They are not for sale.
I wonder why...
Every individual who has become a member of Jehovah's Witnesses has improved their life.
And?
Jesus said that "if they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you."
A guarantee that Christians will not be comfortable by professing their faith.
They're not tied down by the meaningless rituals and traditions of other religions. If rituals and traditions float your boat, then have at it. I have yet to find that Jesus, in his 33 years, participated in a single ritual or tradition. So, I chose to follow his lead.
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We're getting off topic.
I have a couple of questions for you and WE:
QUESTION 1: Did Jesus blaspheme God by saying things that only God is allowed to say?
QUESTION 2: Whom was Jesus' ministry centered on?
QUESTION 3: Do you deny the incarnation of Christ?
QUESTION 4: If Jesus was just a man, and not also God, then how was His death, burial, and resurrection enough to ransom all mankind, when Psalm 49:7-9, 15, says that it too costly for a man to ransom his life for another?