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That verse says nothing about being forgiven (though I do understand why you're using it).
Did Christ die for the sin of unbelief ?
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Nanja
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You're confused !
Hi and my reply disappeared .
Here is is again >
You said the the sin of UNBELIEF would not be forgiven to Adam .
I will show you that BOTH Adam and Eve were both FORGIVEN !!!!!!
In Gen 3:21 , Christ made Coats and Skins and CLOTHED THEM .
That means that CHRIST killed animals >
Without the SHEDDING of BLOOD their is NO FORGIVENESS .
That ,means that BLOOD was spilt !!
The the HEBREW words MAKE and CLOTHED , is what the Lord COVERED THEM WITH and that means ATONEMENT .
Notice that in Gen 3:7 they made APRONS of FIG LEAVES is what the world does today to cover THEIR SINS !
The HEBREW words MADE and CLOTHED in the HEBREW STEM is in the QAL which means to know by experience and the ASPECT is in the Hebrew IMPERECT TENSE
THIS ATONEMENT lasted until Acts 28:22 and 28 that Paul turned to the GENTILES .
Was Adam and Eve CALLED or were they ELECTED ?
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oatmeal
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All sin is unbelief of either commission or omission.
beloved57
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You quoted a lot there, did you understand it all ?
And Nanja or B 57 will not reply to post # 43 and all will see what are our differences !!!!!!
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beloved57
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Christ died for the sin of unbelief because its a sin the Holy Spirit convicts of Jn 16:8-9
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
Unbelief is the root sin of the world that Christ taketh away ! Jn 1:29
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
Unbelief is the root sin of the world that Christ taketh away ! Jn 1:29
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
And here is another verse in John 19:30 , where Jesus said IT IS FINISH / TELO which is in the Greek PERFECT TENSE , PASSIVE VOICE and in the INDICATIVE MOOD .
#1 What was finished is the payment for SIN .
#2 The PERFECT TENSE then means that all sin HAD to be paid for >
#3 The PASSIVE VOICE means that God had to pay for ALL SIN ,even Adam and Eve .
#The INDICATIVE MOOD means that Jon 19:30 IS A FACT >
# 5 In Heb 9:15 is another proof and if Adam and Eve were NOT SAVED , then all those in the book of GENESIS were not saved as ALL SIN HAS TO BE PAID FOR .
dan p
Jesus died for the sins of the world. That would include unbelief.
Jesus' atonement did not cover the sin of blaspheming Jesus in the face of the Holy Spirit drawing sinners to Christ for salvation.
Mark 3:29
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
All sins but one will be forgiven, but blaspheming Jesus while under the enlightening conviction of the Holy Ghost can never be forgiven.
Mark 3
28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
beloved57
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The work of the devil, which unbelief is, cannot render the work of Christ on a sinners behalf ineffective or futile. But thats exactly what people are saying when they claim Christ died for people who still perish in their sins because of unbelief Jn 8:24
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
That unbelief is satans work producing unbelief is seen in a couple of verses. #1 2 Cor 4:3-4
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
#2 Lk 8:12
Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
So if died for a person for the intention of saving that person from their sins, and that person nevertheless dies in unbelief, and never believes and be saved, then the devil rendered Jesus purpose to save ineffective, and gains the victory over the Son of God concerning that soul. Thats why I dont believe a person Christ died for can die in their sins in unbelief !
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
That unbelief is satans work producing unbelief is seen in a couple of verses. #1 2 Cor 4:3-4
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
#2 Lk 8:12
Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
So if died for a person for the intention of saving that person from their sins, and that person nevertheless dies in unbelief, and never believes and be saved, then the devil rendered Jesus purpose to save ineffective, and gains the victory over the Son of God concerning that soul. Thats why I dont believe a person Christ died for can die in their sins in unbelief !
Jesus enlightens every man born into the world.
John 1:9
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
Those who reject the light after seeing the light can no longer claim ignorance as an excuse for committing sins.
Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
If sinners reject the light sown into their hearts by the Holy Ghost then they are turned over to the devil who will blind them permanently to the Gospel.
Luke 8:12
Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
beloved57
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You not paying attention to anything i stated. Can a sinner Christ died for, die in unbelief ?
Yes, a sinner may reject the Lord and die in unbelief. It is his choice.
Don't be a hypocrite.
If a man never acknowledges that he needs Christ, then yes, he will die in his unbelief.
Doesn't mean that Christ's death is insufficient.
beloved57
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You said yes, so that equates to Christs death being defeated by the devil !
beloved57
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You say yes, then that equates to the devil defeating Christ. Unbelief is a work of satan on a person. Just like no repentance is a work of the devil 2 Tim 2:25
25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
Christ is not defeated by the fact that God condemns to hell sinners who deliberate reject the clear knowledge of Christ.
beloved57
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If you say one for whom Christ died does die in their unbelief, you are giving the devil victory over Christ.
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