He died for all sins, except unbelief.
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Did Christ die for the sin of unbelief ?
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oatmeal
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Yes and the way to receive forgiveness for that is to believe the word on what it says on how to receive forgiveness
beloved57
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Huh ? I have the slightest what you mean. Do you want to discuss the points ?
Nanja
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Amen to parts 18, 19, and 20 !
Even while God's Elect are in an unregenerate state and in unbelief,
1) blind to spiritual things,
2) having hardness of heart towards God, and
3) spiritually alienated from the things of God,
Nevertheless, it was God's Purpose in Christ Eph. 3:11 to have Mercy on them, even before they are born again and given faith to believe on Him.
So if we are Elect of God, Christ died for our sins 1 Cor. 15:3 including the sin of unbelief, for even while we were enemies, and obviously unbelievers, we were already reconciled to God by the Blood of Christ.
Rom. 5:8-10
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Therefore according to scripture, the Elect of God were never under God's Wrath or condemnation for unbelief as those Christ did not die for John 3:18, 36 !
beloved57
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Amen to this very edifying post !
beloved57
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Not only did Christ merely die for unbelief, but He died for all the sins of them He died for. All their iniquities were laid on Him and met on Him Isa 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
That word iniquity also means He being punished for the iniquity that was caused to meet on Him. All of their moral evil and perversions were laid on Him, to mention their depravity, their actual sins and inherent filth and evil thoughts. Remember David prayed Ps 19:12
12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.
These secret faults were laid on Christ, and His Blood cleanses from all sin !
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
That word iniquity also means He being punished for the iniquity that was caused to meet on Him. All of their moral evil and perversions were laid on Him, to mention their depravity, their actual sins and inherent filth and evil thoughts. Remember David prayed Ps 19:12
12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.
These secret faults were laid on Christ, and His Blood cleanses from all sin !
Christ died for all sin, except the sin of unbelief
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Nanja
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beloved57
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Amen !
beloved57
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Paul is an example of how Jesus Christ saves those He died for from unbelief. He testified to that fact here 1 Tim 1:12-15
12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
All Paul did in persecuting the Church, the People of God was grounded in unbelief. However Jesus converted Paul from his unbelief when He renewed him on the road to damascus, Acts 9:1-6
And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,
2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.
3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
And so when Paul recalls this amazing show of mercy and grace towards him, even in the height of his unbelief, he cannot help but to testify:
"15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief."
See to save a sinner is nothing less than saving an unbeliever. Jesus saves them by giving them His Grace and Faith, and hence they believe through Grace Acts 18:27
27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
To say that Jesus wont save a person because they wont believe is far from the truth !
12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
All Paul did in persecuting the Church, the People of God was grounded in unbelief. However Jesus converted Paul from his unbelief when He renewed him on the road to damascus, Acts 9:1-6
And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,
2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.
3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
And so when Paul recalls this amazing show of mercy and grace towards him, even in the height of his unbelief, he cannot help but to testify:
"15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief."
See to save a sinner is nothing less than saving an unbeliever. Jesus saves them by giving them His Grace and Faith, and hence they believe through Grace Acts 18:27
27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
To say that Jesus wont save a person because they wont believe is far from the truth !
Nanja
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Exactly Brother ! Jesus saves Particular unbelievers even while they're in a state of unbelief and disobedient by nature, because God already discriminately elected them [certain individuals] to be partakers of His Grace through the Redemption that is in Christ Jesus Rom. 3:24; and not by any conditions they can meet or any performance on their part !
beloved57
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beloved57
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Unbelief is no more than an iniquity, and Christs death for one redeems an effects from all iniquity Titus 2:14
14 who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
If one Christ died for dies in unbelief, then it rendered His Death ineffective.
14 who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
If one Christ died for dies in unbelief, then it rendered His Death ineffective.
Nanja
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That is absolutely correct Brother, for to be redeemed from all iniquity, does include the sin of unbelief.
Therefore, none for whom Christ died shall ever hear these words:
Mat. 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
And that is because since they've been redeemed from all iniquity, they have no iniquity to work.
However, those Christ did not die for shall remain still in their sin of unbelief, and shall pay the price for their iniquity in the second death.
Rev. 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars,
shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
beloved57
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Amen Sister, Im grateful to Jesus Christ for our fellowship in the Truth !
Nanja
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beloved57
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Frankly speaking if Christ didn't die for the sin of unbelief, none could be saved, since God put all men in unbelief Rom 11:32
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Nobody will be saved from a sin Christ didn't die for ! The sole way to be saved from any sin is for Christs blood to have taken it away, purged it Heb 1:3
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
So if by chance you are saved from unbelief, and yet Christ didn't die for it, congratulations, you saved yourself from your sin of unbelief, you are your own saviour !
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Nobody will be saved from a sin Christ didn't die for ! The sole way to be saved from any sin is for Christs blood to have taken it away, purged it Heb 1:3
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
So if by chance you are saved from unbelief, and yet Christ didn't die for it, congratulations, you saved yourself from your sin of unbelief, you are your own saviour !
So you believe that Adam committed the first sin of UNBLIEF /DISOBEDENICE TOWARDS God AND was not forgiven , and of course you can provide where that is recorded ,
I have a definite verse that says Adan and Eve were BOTH FORGIVEN , what say you ??????????
dan p
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If you have it, you should post it.
And you thing that would HELP ?
Lets watch and see ?
Gen 3:21 is my PROOF !!!!!!!!
In that verse was BLOOD SPILLED ?
Christ covered Adam and Eve with COATS and SKINS , what does that mean ?
By the ways the STEM is QAL ans the aspect is IMPERFECT TENSE , what does that mean ??
dan p
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