ECT Definition of "Works Salvation"
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Ye workers must be worn to the bone, poor luvs.
It would take more lifetimes than mine to earn so much as a peek inside paradise.
Best to come as a sinner and beg to be saved by God's good grace.
It would take more lifetimes than mine to earn so much as a peek inside paradise.
Best to come as a sinner and beg to be saved by God's good grace.
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But we's not dead see, we are made ALIVE.
It is for those who are NOT saved, not born again....they will be judged by their works. We's saved by grace.
you will be
genuineoriginal
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You can not earn a spot in paradise through faithless works.
Jesus spoke several parables about that very thing.
This is one of them:
Matthew 18:23-27 23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. 24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents. 25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made. 26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. 27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt. |
Well, that's kind of true but what we need to overcome is our carnal nature which is not subject to God. We are to bring ourselves into subjection.
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. (Romans 8:7 NKJV)
Are you saying humans are born with eternal life?
For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. (Hebrews 10:26-27 NKJV)
Is the Holy Spirit given by one's confession or is it given by the laying on of hands?
No one can be judged before death and those who have died are freed from sin.
For he who has died has been freed from sin. (Rom 6:7 NKJV)
genuineoriginal
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Having your name written in the book of Life happens when the Lord hears the confession of your mouth.
The Holy Spirit is recorded as coming upon people without the laying on of hands and also with the laying on of hands.
Scripture?
genuineoriginal
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Is the confession of your mouth made before or after baptism?
genuineoriginal
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It must be a true confession that is accompanied with a belief in your heart.
In all the scriptural references I have found, belief and confession happens before baptism, like with the Ethiopian in Acts 8:36-37.
God's Truth
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Just think, the Ethiopian was going to Jerusalem to worship. That means he not only had faith in Jesus, but he also obeyed God before he was saved.
heir
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Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
heir
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Romans 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
heir
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That's not us. This is:
Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Ephesians 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Ephesians 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
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Titus 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Titus 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
Titus 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
genuineoriginal
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Yes, you cannot obligate God to save you by anything you do.
You cannot honor God with your lips while your heart is far from Him and expect that He will reward you for condescending to obey Him.
God has to be pleased with you enough to want to give you eternal life.
The only things that please God that much are you loving Him with all your heart, you humbling yourself before Him, and you showing your faithfulness to Him through your actions.