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Why did you say it then?

Why did I say... what, exactly?

You're the one going off on some tangent, while avoiding answering my question:

Where did I say that "living according to Christ isn't 'credible'"?

Either show where I said it, or retract your false accusation!

As the converted are Christ's, the converted's money and all their goods are Christ's.

And God expects us to do with it that which is right.

And God expects the government to not take from those whom God has given money to, and give it to those whom God has NOT given money to.

No?

Why not apply that saying to the government?

You think I'm not?

The one with the evil eye here is the government, doofus.

Are they evil for doing good?

They're not doing good. They're harming:

1) those whom they are stealing from
2) themselves (sin is harmful to those who do it)
3) those whom they give the stolen money to

Why do you call evil good, and good evil?

It is given to them to serve the populace.

No, that's a cliche that has become common among the right.

The role of the government is to rule, enforcing what is right, punishing those who do what is wrong, and building/regulating/maintaining public infrastructure.

If this were a Christian nation, the populace would take care of each other.
But it is not a Christian nation.

You're right. This country is an old wineskin. There's no saving it.

But that doesn't mean we stop advocating for what is right. You have.
 

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Would you prefer the government to be poor?
Yes I would. I would prefer that government workers be paid minimum wage. I would prefer that government would not be allowed to borrow and run deficits. I would prefer that our government get out of the business of funding most of what it funds. I would prefer that people did not see the government as a viable career choice and spend their whole lives working off the taxpayer dollar, as Joe the Rapist has. I would prefer that when the government has it in its mind to do something that will cost money that it isn't expressly designated to do, that it would have to go hat in hand to the taxpayers to get permission and funding.
 

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Yes I would. I would prefer that government workers be paid minimum wage. I would prefer that government would not be allowed to borrow and run deficits. I would prefer that our government get out of the business of funding most of what it funds. I would prefer that people did not see the government as a viable career choice and spend their whole lives working off the taxpayer dollar, as Joe the Rapist has. I would prefer that when the government has it in its mind to do something that will cost money that it isn't expressly designated to do, that it would have to go hat in hand to the taxpayers to get permission and funding.
I agree with everything but "minimum wage". That idea is moronic and is based purely on bureaucratic fiat.
 

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All of those things have been done for centuries without a government forcibly taking money out of everyone's pocket of which a lot doesn't even go directly to the victims and is spent on unnecessary programs.



We have created a Robin Hood government.
Robin Hood was a thief.
Shouldn't be thankful for the creation and support of thievery.
There's hardly anyone that realizes the "hero", Robin Hood, was worse than the villain he stole from, at least in the more modern versions of the story, anyway. He was a socialist and a communist before either were cool.

Very good!
 

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Aren't you glad we have the right to vote ?
No! Voting is precisely what's gotten us into this mess in less than half the time it takes most nations to grumble from within. Do you have even the slightest notion of what God thinks of democratic societies? Do you have any idea what it means to think biblically?

And make our opinions heard ?
Authority does NOT flow up hill, Hoping. If you had any understanding of the bible you pretend to be an expert of, you'd understand that.

And to serve God with everything at our disposal ?
This last has nothing to do with the others. A man cannot be prevented from serving God unless the man allows himself to be prevented. Read the book of Daniel much?
 
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Why not apply that saying to the government?
Are they evil for doing good?
The entire point is that they are NOT doing good, Hoping, which you'd know if you had one tenth of the relationship with God that you claim.

You cannot steal something and then think you've converted your sin and your crime into righteousness by giving the stolen goods to people who did not earn it and who are made dependent on your continued thievery for their subsistence lifestyle which your "charity" created for them in the first place!

You want to do good for the poor? Teach them that the hunger pains in their belly is God's wisdom made manifest in their own body which is giving them a solid motive to get off their ass and earn the food they put in their mouths.

You want to do good for the poor? Teach them that their need does not constitute a claim check on someone else's life.

You want to do good for the poor? Advocate against any such thing as any "welfare" system that is funded in any manner other than entirely uncoerced and completely voluntary contributions.

What right do you have to the money I've earned?
 

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You'll have to look it up.

Supra.

Either show where I said that "living according to Christ isn't 'credible'" or retract your false accusation, Hoping.

Including paying taxes..."For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing." (Rom 13:6)

Indeed!

Got some scripture for that POV?

It was a question, Hoping. You seem to hate answering questions.

Didn't seem like it.

Get your mind checked, then, because I wasn't.

Why don't you see it as fair for the government to do as the hirer in the parable?

Because most people, myself included, aren't employed by the government.

It is their money to do as they see fit.

Coins and pieces of paper are not what money is.

They only represent money.

Money is the accounting of transferrable incomplete transactions.

What about the tornado victims and the hurricane victims?

What about them?

Did you miss, or as I suspect, ignore, what I said about the government providing "EMERGENCY relief for areas affected by natural disasters and short-term life-or-death crises" as being a just function of the government?

If one out of a hundred wastes the gift of God, or of the government, will you penalize the ninety-nine?

Theft isn't a gift of God.

Why do you?

Quit trolling.

The right?
You mean the correct?

No.

Nice ideology.
Why are you hamstringing it?

In what way am I "hamstringing it"?

It is right, correct, to help the downtrodden and needy.

For individuals to do so, yes.

Not the government.

It fits within Jesus' commands.

... To individuals. Not to governments.

It saddens me to see you advocating for "self" at the expense of the needy.

You keep making these false accusations!

Stop it!

Run for office on that platform and I will vote for you.

Politicians are lawyers.
And I hate lawyers.

Why would I become something I hate?

Our form of government is not only corrupt, but evil.

Why would I become something I hate, in a system that is inherently evil?

I hope you cancel NASA first,

If I were king of America, one of the things I would do is privatize NASA, if possible.

then the armed forces second.

Why would I cancel the armed forces?

Purge them of the perverts, sure. But cancel them?

Having a well armed military is the "foreign" part of dealing with "criminal justice, both foreign and domestic."

That is only one side of the discussion.

No, Hoping, it's THE ENTIRE discussion!

Some feel the gov' is helping many.

Facts don't care about (your) feelings, Hoping.

They are NOT helping anyone.

Did you pay your taxes voluntarily?

No.

How can that be considered theft?

Because that's what it is, by definition.

Good idea, and I know that when I was out of work the gov' provided computer training, and resume guidance, and all kinds of help to get back to work.
I thank God for it.

You likely wouldn't have been out of work if the government were not as bloated as it is/was.

My willingness to help the needy cannot be thwarted by the folks who can't or won't love.

Is it loving to warn someone that what they are doing, while it may seem like it's helping, is only harming them?

The crippled may not appreciate that.

Why are you looking down upon the crippled as incapable of finding work? It's like telling black people they are incapable of being racist (which is racism itself, by the way, in case that wasn't blatantly obvious...).

When you got your job, did you think the wage was tax free?

A tax on personal increase is the only legitimate form of taxation.
 

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...the "hero", Robin Hood, was worse than the villain he stole from, at least in the more modern versions of the story, anyway. He was a socialist and a communist before either were cool.

Bit of trivia: It's thought that the reason he's called "Robin Hood" is that it is a portmanteau of the phrase "Robber in hood," a description of his appearance, and of what he is, A robber (someone who steals from people through use of force or threat of force, as opposed to a theif, who is someone who steals without the use of force) wearing a hood (likely to cover his face, making it more difficult to identify him, which is something criminals usually do.
 

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I pray that the Lord will soon soften your heart, and open unto you the fact that what you "have" was given to you for the good of others.

There you go with the false accusations again.

You need to repent, and ask God to help you with this issue, because it's NOT healthy, mentally or spiritually.

“Judge not, that you be not judged.For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye?Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. - Matthew 7:1-5 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew7:1-5&version=NKJV
 

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I guess your only recourse is to move to another nation.
Spoken like the idiotic fool that you are. Good grief! Who taught you how to think?!

Maybe a monarchy, where you won't be troubled by voting.
God loves monarchies. He intends to be a monarch and a monarchy is THE ONLY form of government that God Himself ever set up on this Earth.

Of course, your paper thin understanding of scripture wouldn't have every allowed that thought to exist between your ears and you, right now, haven't any idea what to do with that thought because you're a lying fool who thinks he never sins.

Monarchies aren't the problem, it's monarchs who think they have the right to make new law. Thought number two that you haven't any idea how to process because it's too biblical.

North Korea might allow you to enter.
Not much voting, or helping the poor, over there.
North Korea is the logical end of the politics you advocate, Hoping. North Korea, China, Russia all of them are what you get when you buy the notion that you are your brother's keeper. That is the foundational premise that they all share with each other and that you share with them.

How often has God changed His mind on something after the prayers of the faithful have been presented?
Abraham and Sodom come to mind. (Gen 18)
Prayer has nothing to do with authority flowing up hill. It's not as if we are commanding God to do something, you slobbering fool!

Then you are glad we can serve God with everything at our disposal.
Good.
There is never a situation where that is not the case.
 
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That is only one side of the discussion.
Some feel the gov' is helping many.
Feelings don't come into it. It is not a matter of opinion. The poor keep getting poorer, no matter how many billions are thrown at their feet. I am not kidding, nor am I saying it for effect - if you knew one tenth of as much about God and His word as you pretend, there's no way this discussion would be happening. You've been lied to, Hoping. You've been lied too and for probably most of your life and you're here to spread those same lies yourself.

Contradictions cannot exist in reality, Hoping. (You have no idea how that last sentence connects!)

Did you pay your taxes voluntarily?
How can that be considered theft?
No! I am required, by force of law, to pay taxes. If I refuse then people show up to force me. If I refuse them, they start taking far more than just tax money away from me. It starts with my private property but, as I established already, that is just another way of taking my life and if I continue to resist hard enough for long enough they'll skip the intermediate steps and simply kill me. People who think they have the right to my life WILL take it. And you'd help them do it. Indeed, they need your sanction to do it.

Good idea, and I know that when I was out of work the gov' provided computer training, and reume guidance, and all kinds of help to get back to work.
I thank God for it.
Then you're a fool. Your living has been provided to you via an education that someone else's life paid for. You're a parasite, living off the blood of your superiors that other parasites sucked the life out of in order to benefit you.

Your next to non-existent mind probably believes that no such help would exist without the government, which is just as the government wants you to think. The reverse is true! In a mature capitalistic society that is free from government welfare, there would be no end to the line of people who would line up to help those who want to learn something new and every one of them would perform the task in a far more efficient manner than the government ever could and they'd do it, not simply because they want to help, but because they themselves would profit from the human capital that they would be cultivating.

None of which you have half the mind to understand for two seconds.

My willingness to help the needy cannot be thwarted by the folks who can't or won't love.
You haven't any idea what love is, Hoping!

Love means to act in another best interest. Stealing from your neighbor and giving the stolen goods to the poor is not loving the poor! It is literally taking chunks of life from your neighbor to deepen the poverty of the poor! There is no telling how many people have died because of what you call love! The premise of it is literally death!

NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO GIVE AWAY MY MONEY!!!!

Your idiotic mind is screaming "its not me giving it away" its the government! Well, which of us was just talking about voting rights, Hoping? Which of us is going to praise the "representative" form of government we live under and which is going to say its evil to its core?

The crippled may not appreciate that.
On the contrary!

Are you obtuse enough to think that I advocate against welfare, per se? Are you incapable of reading comprehension to the extent that makes you believe that I think its wrong to help the needy?

You haven't any idea what kind of colossal help the crippled would have access to in a free society where the government stays out of people's pockets and allows those who produce to be the generous people that they want to be. There would be whole industries built around helping those who actually do need it. The society would be defined by it! Not because the government "helps" people but because the loved ones, the family, friends and neighbors of the needy would be set free, both financially and in every other way, to help them in ways the government couldn't dream of doing. Not only that but, in such a society, the welfare that exists, would automatically be set up in manner the prevents people from becoming unduly dependent upon it.

As is true of all fools, you're so short sited that you can't see past the end of your own nose. Your myopic stupidity feeds a man for a day and dooms him to a lifetime of dependant slavery to your "generosity" and then you call it love.

When you got your job, did you think the wage was tax free?
You are trully the stupidest person I've ever interacted with. I literally cannot think of a single exception. Not kidding!
I mean "stupid" in the mode of "foolishness" not "intelligence". If your were mentally ill or retarded in some way, you'd have an excuse.

What right do you have to the money that I've earned, Hoping?

Your answer to that question is to present to me the option of not getting a job. My option then is what? Either become a parasite, living of the production of others or starving to death and my family with me.

Every avenue you go down with me on this will end at that same place - DEATH.
It is THE premise of your worldview and it is it's only possible conclusion. Death is your beginning and your end. You begin by advocating stealing, which is the forcible taking the production of my life, and your final argument is to either make it impossible for me to continue living or else simply murdering me. That is the system that you espouse. You do not see it because you're a foolish moron who think himself loving and wise.

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I find it odd that you would consider a prayer on your behalf to be a false accusation.

If you can't see how, then you're either lying (which is a sin), or you're too stupid to even attempt to explain it to you, because you won't understand why anyways.

Stupid doesn't make you sin, Hoping. Sin makes you stupid.

Are you drinking?

Accusing me of being a drunkard now!? Tell me why I shouldn't just ban you here and now for being a troll!

How low can you go! (DO NOT take that as a challenge! You WILL be banned.)

He loves holy monarchies.

There was very little that was holy about Israel!

And there would be none of that voting you care so little for.

God never said we had the right to vote on His moral law.

Try to stick with the context of our back-and-forth.

Says the one who constantly presents red herrings and makes false accusations.

Agreed, plus they won't allow the public to participate in governing

Good.

Have you not seen where the public participating in governing has led America?

Jesus can take the honor for that teaching.
His second most important commandment was to love our neighbor as we live ourselves. (Mark 12:33, Luke 10:27)

Jesus did not, however, teach theft.

We can certainly ask Him for His gracious intercession on events.

I find it odd, then, that you feel so comfortable speaking so without compassion or love.

Again, you don't know what love is.

Love is the committment to the good of someone (yes, that includes oneself).

Theft is NOT for the good of anyone, let alone oneself.

It is not compassionate to steal from someone and then give what was stolen to someone else.
 

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I am happy to, and glad I can, support the needy.

But you're not supporting them.

If some are abusing the system they should be sought out and punished.

THE ENTIRE GOVERNMENT IS, DOOFUS!

How do you ever expect the entire government to be punished?! It'll NEVER HAPPEN!

And so the wicked will continue being wicked!

But I wouldn't end the system graciously put in place for the truly needy just because of the abusers.

It's not put in place for the truly needy. It's put in place to make those in power wealthy, while making everyone else poorer.

You've been convinced of the lie that it's "for the truly needy."

As I can only reach a few, I am glad the government will reach many more on my behalf.

You're glad the government can steal from you and me, take a portion to line their own pockets, and then redistribute your and my wealth to tthose who have not earned it?

Shocker!

Contradictions like love your neighbor, and, don' help the poor?

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That being the case, why can't you just give what God has given you for the benefit of others?

Loaded question.

Why do you think we aren't?

Don't you trust God to keep His word?

Supra.

It is written..."Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again." (Luke 6:38)

This means "from my hand to yours," not through government taxes.

No man who thanks God for His gifts is a fool.

Says the fool.

The man who thinks he earned his life on his own is on his own indeed,

What does that have to do with anything?

Too bad you can't apply that logic to the people the government has helped.

The government isn't helping anyone except themselves to feel good.

Just because some people can turn wicked efforts into turning their life around doesn't make those wicked efforts good.

Yes, helping those who need help...without hope of recovering my largess.

"From my hand to yours"

NOT

"Through government taxes"

Too much anti-govenrment propaganda has influenced your ability to reason.

Says the one who believes everything the government tells him!

If only the world wouldn't keep rebelling against God.

Says the one in rebellion!

Just willing to help, and help others who help others.

"From my hand to yours"

NOT

"Through government taxation"?

None, as God gave it to you to help others.

Supra.

It just depends on what kind of life you want to live and provide for your loved ones...if you have any.

I would provide the best life I could.

Problem is, the government would prevent me from doing so, because they would increase the pressure of their boot on my neck I were to earn more than a certain amount.

Why?

Because "we're going to take your money and give it to the 'truly needy'!"

I never saw anyone

Arguments from personal incredulity are logically fallacious.

You shouldn't base your arguments in fallacies!

getting rich off of social security,

From what I gather, people can buy all sorts of things using just food stamps, to the point of ridiculousness.

Meanwhile, people like myself, who work for a living, have to struggle just to buy frozen dinners, let alone eat healthy.

or the money they received to help rebuild their home or business after a tornado or flood.

I have addressed this multiple times as being a legitimate role of the government to providie for EMERGENCY relief.

Emergency relief is not regularly supplied food stamps, checks in the mail, and permanent public housing.

Have you ever been prescribed drugs to help equalize your mental demeanor?
You may want to ask your doctor for more help.

This has earned you a warning.

Knock ti off. And when you come back from your ban, apologize to Clete.
 

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He loves holy monarchies.
You are likely the first person to every use the term "holy monarchies". The bible certainly doesn't use that term because it isn't accurate. The Kings of Israel were not priests nor were they eligible to be priests. The priesthood was quite completely separate, one descending from David, the other from Levi.
And there would be none of that voting you care so little for.
There is nothing at all biblical about the population voting for representatives to rule over them. Not only does God not endorse such governments but He actively dislikes them. This is because God is wiser than you are, Hoping. He understands that the majority of people are evil and that therefore the only possible end result of such a government is ever increasing evil, which is precisely was every single democratic nation in the history of the planet has demonstrated.

Try to stick with the context of our back-and-forth.
I never left the topic. Thanks for proving me right though! LOL!

Agreed, plus they won't allow the public to participate in governing
It isn't the place of the governed to participate in their governance. This statement betrays an ignorance on your part of what the function of government is, which is no surprise since you think its proper for the majority to vote a portion of my life away from me to benefit those who will not produce anything.

Jesus can take the honor for that teaching.
His second most important commandment was to love our neighbor as we live ourselves. (Mark 12:33, Luke 10:27)
Do please try not to blaspheme on this Christian website please! You ignorance of God's word is genuinely astounding. If you want to perpetuate this personal myth of yours about not sinning, maybe you should stay away from places where you don't know the extent the people you're interacting with have studied God's word without your input.

As I said in my last post, you have no idea what love is.
It is your neighbors that government welfare kills.
Those in government love to spend other people's money while jealously guarding their own - money that they did not earn, by the way.
They wail and moan about walls at our southern border while they live safely in gated communities.
They want to take away my guns while keeping armed guards with them at all times.
They increase my taxes while exempting themselves from those same taxes.
They make me a criminal for trading a stock with insider knowledge while exempting themselves from that same regulation.

I could go on for hours listing their hypocrisy, which is what Jesus' teaching was about. His statement had exactly nothing to do with government at all, much less government welfare. Had it been, it would have been proof that He was a fraud, by the way.

We can certainly ask Him for His gracious intercession on events.
That is the opposite of authority flowing up hill, Hoping. Once again, thank you for conceding the point.

I find it odd, then, that you feel so comfortable speaking so without compassion or love.
I despise you, Hoping. I think you're a liar and a fool who does nothing but impugn the reputation of the God who died for me and for Whom I would gladly die. You deserve nothing from me but my hatred, ridicule and derision and, until you repent, that's nearly all you'll get. The very fact that I've been as substantive here as I have been is a mercy. Had you made that idiotic comment about Jesus getting credit for teaching that we are our brother's keeper in my physical presence, I'd have slapped your face and physically removed you from my presence.

I had you on ignore at the time and didn't see the following response until today....
I AM my brother's keeper.
No, Hoping, you are not! It's sin, literal deadly sin, to think otherwise! It is not loving, it is not godly, it isn't righteousness of any sort. Its a lie and people die every single day because of its consequences.

2 Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat.

I could quote much more, but you'd ignore it anyway.

And I have a government that can reach were I cannot.
It is not the proper role of government and it isn't true. Even if it were true, you are responsible for what you can do and nothing else. Help where you can help and let others help where you cannot. The point being that you directly helping someone stands a much greater chance of actually helping them than any government program ever could. Not only that, but with the government out of the pockets of its people, more people are able to afford to do more helpful things in a whole variety of creative ways that the government has no incentive to even try to create.

If we are not in agreement with our government, we can always vote them out...or go somewhere else.
Yeah, sure. That's worked out well, hasn't it! Every day, regardless of who is voted into office, the poor increase in number and sink deeper into poverty, just as the government wants it, by the way. You are literally financing the proliferation of a permanent underclass that is there for the sole purpose of being dependent upon government so as to grease the electoral wheels of those in power who depend on that underclasses' vote. In short, it is precisely the institution of voting that proliferates the poor and sustains them in their poverty. Voting is to poverty what wind is to sea foam.

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I am happy to, and glad I can, support the needy.
If some are abusing the system they should be sought out and punished.
But I wouldn't end the system graciously put in place for the truly needy just because of the abusers.

As I can only reach a few, I am glad the government will reach many more on my behalf.

Contradictions like love your neighbor, and, don' help the poor?

That being the case, why can't you just give what God has given you for the benefit of others?
Don't you trust God to keep His word?
It is written..."Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again." (Luke 6:38)

No man who thanks God for His gifts is a fool.
The man who thinks he earned his life on his own is on his own indeed,

Too bad you can't apply that logic to the people the government has helped.

Yes, helping those who need help...without hope of recovering my largess.

We agree on that.

Too much anti-govenrment propaganda has influenced your ability to reason.

You did when you paid your taxes.

Please connect those two thoughts.

Apparently neither of us, but for differing reasons.

That is all I have gotten from you so far.

If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.
Stick to reality for a little while longer, please.

If only the world wouldn't keep rebelling against God.

Sounds like the words of Judas who carried the money bag !
He was sorta "anti-goodness", like you, when the woman poured the ointment on Jesus' head. (Mark 14:4-8)

I hate generalities.

Just willing to help, and help others who help others.

None, as God gave it to you to help others.

It just depends on what kind of life you want to live and provide for your loved ones...if you have any.
I never saw anyone getting rich off of social security, or the money they received to help rebuild their home or business after a tornado or flood.

Agreed,, but will it be the first or second death?

Have you ever been prescribed drugs to help equalize your mental demeanor?
You may want to ask your doctor for more help.
How do I get caught into these asinine discussions with literally stupid people?

Don't bother responding to my last couple of posts. I won't read them.
 
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