Thank You for understanding. And I'm not a doctor!! Will write more later. I am starving and need to put some gyros on. Sorry. BRB!! AFK!!
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Creation vs. Evolution
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Michael;
You have to have heard of Dos Equis!!!
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The Most Interesting Man in the World;
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"Two X's", or "Two Ex's"?
Meh, Never Mind.
You have to have heard of Dos Equis!!!
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The Most Interesting Man in the World;
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"Two X's", or "Two Ex's"?
Meh, Never Mind.
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Evolution is a fact. How evolution operates is a theory
Gravity is a fact. How evolution operates is a theory
Disease is a fact. The idea that disease is caused by living organisms to small to be seen is a theory
Dear 6days,
Thanks for the clarification. You hit it on the head every time, it seems!! Man is a fact, not a theory. Woman is a fact, not a theory!
Thank you 6days. What I wrote was partly for Tracer.
May God Bestow You With Many Gifts!!
Michael
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Dear MarkS,
Do you feel you need an invitation to post here?? You don't, of course!! Looking forward to hearing from you.
God's Blessings,
Michael
Do you feel you need an invitation to post here?? You don't, of course!! Looking forward to hearing from you.
God's Blessings,
Michael
The evolution of organisms is an observed fact. Even most creationist organizations admit that. They've retreated to "no one ever saw common descent, so we think it's safe to deny that much."
But the fact won't support that, either. As you know, the evidence clearly shows common descent is a fact. Would you like to see the evidence, again?
But the fact won't support that, either. As you know, the evidence clearly shows common descent is a fact. Would you like to see the evidence, again?
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What's the common point of descent for viruses, bacteria and single-cell creatures like the amoeba? How did the genetic code in the DNA and RNA in these forms of life get programmed?
Per your cosmology, where did the "Word of God" and "Hand of God" get involved?
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That point would be the he differentiation of prokaryote cells and eukaryotic cells.
Prokaryote cells are without a cell core where the genetic material of that cell just sort of floats around the cell. Eukaryotic cells have a cell core that contains the cells genetic material.
Viruses are not actually living things. They are merely bits of nucleic acid that have become able to move from organism to organism, using them to make more copies.
The split between prokaryotes like bacteria, and eukaryotes like an amoeba, is based on the evolution of endosymbiosis. Mitochondria, for example, are obligate endosybiotic bacteria in eukaryotic cells, with their own, bacterial DNA, and their own reproductive processes.
The eukaryotes seem to be more closely related to the archaea than to the eubacteria, which is also consistent with the biochemical evidence.
Do we have evidence for the evolution of endsymbiosis? Yes, that's been directly observed. Would you like to see that?
God is itimately involved with every particle in the physical universe. It is, of itself, a miracle. He uses nature for almost everything in this world. Why wouldn't He?
Dear Barbarian,
There is no Mother Nature. God does all of it through the help of His servants, the angels, and also by Himself. Nature has nothing to do with it, unless you want to call God's intervening in it "nature." That's it in a nutshell. A tornado comes, God has caused it and controls it. It hits this house, misses those three houses, hit's that house, etc. He decides who gets clobbered and who doesn't. He has reasons for everything He does. He can't clobber all the sinners at once without clobbering the faithful there also. So he waits until the time has come when He can gather the faithful. That time is soon coming.
Much Love, In Christ!!
Michael
There is no Mother Nature. God does all of it through the help of His servants, the angels, and also by Himself. Nature has nothing to do with it, unless you want to call God's intervening in it "nature." That's it in a nutshell. A tornado comes, God has caused it and controls it. It hits this house, misses those three houses, hit's that house, etc. He decides who gets clobbered and who doesn't. He has reasons for everything He does. He can't clobber all the sinners at once without clobbering the faithful there also. So he waits until the time has come when He can gather the faithful. That time is soon coming.
Much Love, In Christ!!
Michael
Dear All,
Proof That God Exists:
Anyone with a brain can understand this!
WATER
What’s so amazing about water is that it is colorless, odorless, even tasteless but no living thing can exist without it. On Earth, there is a constant system of purification that recycles and reuses water, sustaining every living thing on our planet. How could God not play a role in this complex but amazing process?
The Human Brain
Did you know that the human brain processes more than a million messages a second, constantly deciding what’s important and what isn’t? According to Scientific American, across nearly seven million years, the human brain has tripled in size, with the most growth occurring in the past two million years. Through each phase, human intelligence evolves and we develop more important functions that help us communicate and create mind-blowing things that continue to amaze the generations before us. The evolution and complexity of our brain proves that there is a deliberate designer, who continues to deliver astonishing surprises.
The Complexity of Birth and Life
Life continues to be one of the greatest miracles. It’s hard to deny God’s reality when you think about the process of birth – that two beings can come together and create life, a process that is complex from the moment of conception. While there are over seven billion people living in this world, no person has the same finger print. While identical twins share the same genetic components, they are unique individuals. How can their not be a unique designer?
NATURE
Look all around you –The animals, the flowers, the plants, the trees. Everything in nature has a purpose. Think about it. When one animal is removed from nature and the food chain, it disrupts something else in the chain. On the other hand, think about the flowers. While there are hundreds of thousands of flower species in the world, most of them cannot be eaten. God clearly placed certain things on Earth for necessity and other things for our own wonder and enjoyment.
The BIBLE
While there are a number of religious books, the Bible is unlike any other. Isn’t it amazing how 40 unrelated authors over a 2000 year period could create a book about God’s love for humanity, with a consistent voice and message? Author Tim Chaffey in the article “Unity of the Bible: Seven Compelling Evidences” writes it perfectly, explaining “[the Bible’s] words point unerringly to Christ, who works on the cross was ordained by God – the true author of the Bible – before the world began.” God worked through each of these authors from different walks of life to create one of the most beautiful books ever written.
The SON
Many skeptics will try to tell you that Jesus didn’t exist. But Jesus’ crucifixion is historical fact and his resurrection was documented by hundreds of witnesses. God, who sent down his only Son to save us from ourselves, continues to marvel and inspire billions. And after centuries of the Gospel’s message being questioned, even ridiculed, Christianity remains the dominant world religion and continues to grow in many parts of the world. This is no accident. Any believer can attest to how they’ve been changed by the Bible, prayer and their faith in God, a love no non-believer can ever take away.
In conclusion, I hope this has possibly helped those who are atheists to think twice. Open you brains. They are like close scales jammed together on a fish, that nothing can permeate them, not even the truth. Think about this post thoroughly, with feeling.
For the Spirit of God Inside Us All,
Michael
Proof That God Exists:
Anyone with a brain can understand this!
WATER
What’s so amazing about water is that it is colorless, odorless, even tasteless but no living thing can exist without it. On Earth, there is a constant system of purification that recycles and reuses water, sustaining every living thing on our planet. How could God not play a role in this complex but amazing process?
The Human Brain
Did you know that the human brain processes more than a million messages a second, constantly deciding what’s important and what isn’t? According to Scientific American, across nearly seven million years, the human brain has tripled in size, with the most growth occurring in the past two million years. Through each phase, human intelligence evolves and we develop more important functions that help us communicate and create mind-blowing things that continue to amaze the generations before us. The evolution and complexity of our brain proves that there is a deliberate designer, who continues to deliver astonishing surprises.
The Complexity of Birth and Life
Life continues to be one of the greatest miracles. It’s hard to deny God’s reality when you think about the process of birth – that two beings can come together and create life, a process that is complex from the moment of conception. While there are over seven billion people living in this world, no person has the same finger print. While identical twins share the same genetic components, they are unique individuals. How can their not be a unique designer?
NATURE
Look all around you –The animals, the flowers, the plants, the trees. Everything in nature has a purpose. Think about it. When one animal is removed from nature and the food chain, it disrupts something else in the chain. On the other hand, think about the flowers. While there are hundreds of thousands of flower species in the world, most of them cannot be eaten. God clearly placed certain things on Earth for necessity and other things for our own wonder and enjoyment.
The BIBLE
While there are a number of religious books, the Bible is unlike any other. Isn’t it amazing how 40 unrelated authors over a 2000 year period could create a book about God’s love for humanity, with a consistent voice and message? Author Tim Chaffey in the article “Unity of the Bible: Seven Compelling Evidences” writes it perfectly, explaining “[the Bible’s] words point unerringly to Christ, who works on the cross was ordained by God – the true author of the Bible – before the world began.” God worked through each of these authors from different walks of life to create one of the most beautiful books ever written.
The SON
Many skeptics will try to tell you that Jesus didn’t exist. But Jesus’ crucifixion is historical fact and his resurrection was documented by hundreds of witnesses. God, who sent down his only Son to save us from ourselves, continues to marvel and inspire billions. And after centuries of the Gospel’s message being questioned, even ridiculed, Christianity remains the dominant world religion and continues to grow in many parts of the world. This is no accident. Any believer can attest to how they’ve been changed by the Bible, prayer and their faith in God, a love no non-believer can ever take away.
In conclusion, I hope this has possibly helped those who are atheists to think twice. Open you brains. They are like close scales jammed together on a fish, that nothing can permeate them, not even the truth. Think about this post thoroughly, with feeling.
For the Spirit of God Inside Us All,
Michael
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Dear All:
A fact about Heaven follows.
MARRIAGE
Will there be marriage?
Matthew 22:30 says, "For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage.." The Biblical reason for marriage is procreation and to illustrate the relationship between Jesus Christ and the church. While these are important on Earth, the Bible suggests this institution is not practiced in Heaven.
Michael
A fact about Heaven follows.
MARRIAGE
Will there be marriage?
Matthew 22:30 says, "For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage.." The Biblical reason for marriage is procreation and to illustrate the relationship between Jesus Christ and the church. While these are important on Earth, the Bible suggests this institution is not practiced in Heaven.
Michael
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Trends Cell Biol. 1995 Mar;5(3):137-40.
Bacterial endosymbiosis in amoebae.
Jeon KW1.
Abstract
The large, free-living amoebae are inherently phagocytic. They capture, ingest and digest microbes within their phagolysosomes, including those that survive in other cells. One exception is an unidentified strain of Gram-negative, rod-shaped bacteria that spontaneously infected the D strain of Amoeba proteus and came to survive inside them. These bacteria established a stable symbiotic relationship with amoebae that has resulted in phenotypic modulation of the host and mutual dependence for survival.
So, the evolution of eukaryotes depended on the evolution of endosymbiosis. We have now directly observed that to evolve in living organisms.
So there's your transitional form.
Try again?
Bacterial endosymbiosis in amoebae.
Jeon KW1.
Abstract
The large, free-living amoebae are inherently phagocytic. They capture, ingest and digest microbes within their phagolysosomes, including those that survive in other cells. One exception is an unidentified strain of Gram-negative, rod-shaped bacteria that spontaneously infected the D strain of Amoeba proteus and came to survive inside them. These bacteria established a stable symbiotic relationship with amoebae that has resulted in phenotypic modulation of the host and mutual dependence for survival.
So, the evolution of eukaryotes depended on the evolution of endosymbiosis. We have now directly observed that to evolve in living organisms.
So there's your transitional form.
Try again?
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You're the first one to bring up "mother nature." You're starting to argue with yourself.
However, there is nature, which is a creation of God, and it's how He does most things in this world.
So you think He has angels to push the planets around? Or does He use the laws He established in nature to do that? How about chemical reactions? Do His servants push the molecules around and hook them together for Him? Or does He rely on the laws of nature He created?
You're putzing around with semantics, trying to make your silly doctrines work. It's not very successful, so far.
You seem to have reduced God to a roll of dice. So He sends out some angels to spin up a tornado and aim it at the right trailer park? Can you show us some support for that belief? If there's a tornado and it doesn't take anything out, does that mean the angels missed? Or is it just target practice?
You're the first one to bring up "mother nature." You're starting to argue with yourself.
However, there is nature, which is a creation of God, and it's how He does most things in this world.
So you think He has angels to push the planets around? Or does He use the laws He established in nature to do that? How about chemical reactions? Do His servants push the molecules around and hook them together for Him? Or does He rely on the laws of nature He created?
You're putzing around with semantics, trying to make your silly doctrines work. It's not very successful, so far.
You seem to have reduced God to a roll of dice. So He sends out some angels to spin up a tornado and aim it at the right trailer park? Can you show us some support for that belief? If there's a tornado and it doesn't take anything out, does that mean the angels missed? Or is it just target practice?
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"Organelles like mitochondria and chloroplasts are "believed" to have originated by endosymbiosis."
It's great to believe. Jesus said that if you have faith like a mustard seed, you can move mountains.
One organism can ingest another organism. Yes, it's true. But, having the properties of one organism get integrated into the properties of another organism is a stretch. Then, having an organism with new properties from ingestation pass those properties along into a next generation is a further stretch.
I see that there's evidence for such a belief that became eukoryotic cells but not proof.
God is glorified in man's dependence said Jonathan Edwards (1703-1758) but I see some who appear to be drawn to an imagined glory of independence from God. God is an exalted being. Men do well to humble themselves under the Mighty Hand of God.
It's great to believe. Jesus said that if you have faith like a mustard seed, you can move mountains.
One organism can ingest another organism. Yes, it's true. But, having the properties of one organism get integrated into the properties of another organism is a stretch. Then, having an organism with new properties from ingestation pass those properties along into a next generation is a further stretch.
I see that there's evidence for such a belief that became eukoryotic cells but not proof.
God is glorified in man's dependence said Jonathan Edwards (1703-1758) but I see some who appear to be drawn to an imagined glory of independence from God. God is an exalted being. Men do well to humble themselves under the Mighty Hand of God.
Dear Barbarian,
Well, as a matter of fact, I had a vision on April 3rd,1974, when this all began, in which I saw an angel standing upon a white cloud, and he cast his sickle into the earth and I saw a white tornado on the earth; and then I saw in the vision an angel upon a black cloud, and he did the same thing. Before that, I had no idea that a white tornado even existed. And in the vision, I was told that this was also a vision that John of Patmos had. My vision ended after an angel said that even the horses died in the tornadoes. See Rev. 14:14. And I found out later in Oct. '74 Reader's Digest that the tornadoes were highly unusual and that they had ran a path from Brandenburg, KY through Xenia, OH and northeast for a path of 200 miles. The Bible said they went a path of 1,600 furlongs. I looked in the dictionary and found that there were 8 furlongs in one mile. Thus 1,600 furlongs equaled 200 miles. Now you tell me? You want me to call it "nature."
Michael
Well, as a matter of fact, I had a vision on April 3rd,1974, when this all began, in which I saw an angel standing upon a white cloud, and he cast his sickle into the earth and I saw a white tornado on the earth; and then I saw in the vision an angel upon a black cloud, and he did the same thing. Before that, I had no idea that a white tornado even existed. And in the vision, I was told that this was also a vision that John of Patmos had. My vision ended after an angel said that even the horses died in the tornadoes. See Rev. 14:14. And I found out later in Oct. '74 Reader's Digest that the tornadoes were highly unusual and that they had ran a path from Brandenburg, KY through Xenia, OH and northeast for a path of 200 miles. The Bible said they went a path of 1,600 furlongs. I looked in the dictionary and found that there were 8 furlongs in one mile. Thus 1,600 furlongs equaled 200 miles. Now you tell me? You want me to call it "nature."
Michael
Dear ALL!!
Study the post above this one. You'll be doing yourself a good service.
May Jesus Be Your Savior Always,
Michael
Study the post above this one. You'll be doing yourself a good service.
May Jesus Be Your Savior Always,
Michael
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