alwight said:
DFT_Dave said:
Genetic information in the material world requires a non physical super natural intelligent "Informer", that would be the logical conclusion. That non intelligent matter produced non material logical thought is laughable.
Why would a godly "non material logical thought" without involving any kind of proposed step by step process or explanation be less laughable?
A supposed miraculous entity is simply having no explanation at all.
Couple reasons...It's illogical to think that consciousness arises from non living matter. That pile of gravel in my back yard, is never going to think for itself.
Also, it's illogical to think that my pile of gravel exists without a cause. Everything that has a beginning has a cause. Both of us know that something caused my gravel pile. We know something caused the gravel pit, where my gravel came from. We even know the stones had a beginning, and a cause. Everything which begins to exist has a cause.
So, atheists end up with a tough question. If everything which begins to exist has a cause...What caused the beginning? you can believe there never was a real beginning, which then means you believe something has existed throughout all eternity. We could say you believe in an uncaused cause?
As believers, we believe the God of the Bible is that uncaused Cause. He has no beginning. It is He which caused everything...It is He who sustains everything.