Creation vs. Evolution

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alwight

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Dear Alwight,

If you can't understand After ALL that I have said to you, then there is no hope. You are forever daunted with your belief system. I can't say anything more. You are determined to undermine any one or thing who could help you or change your thinking or being. I can't believe this Al. Never thought that'd be you. I'm shocked.

Michael
Michael, I believe I am right to believe or disbelieve as I do. I am not trying to undermine you, I simply can't make myself believe there is any truth to your fantasy realm.
 

alwight

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Dear Alwight,

I'm sorry you feel this way. That's how it works with God. He wants you to believe in Him by Faith alone.
No Michael, imo that is simply an empty assertion from believers to cover for the rather obvious lack of Godly presence, which is no different from there actually being no God.

Believing that He is there in Spirit, just like the wind blows, which you cannot see the wind, nor where exactly it blows too. Can you see the wind?? Can you see God's Spirit moving??
Are you really claiming that something existing or not depends on us being able to see it with our eyes? Our eyes' capability actually only extends to a small portion of the electromagnetic spectrum.
It's easy to test the wind, but I can't test for gods Michael. :nono:


You know there is a wind. Why can't you know there is someone as Great as a God?? If you can believe in the wind, why can't you believe in God. It's the age-old question that no one knows the answer to and I can't help you if you don't. It's the choice each man makes in his lifetime that determines his destiny. What a grievous shame. I always thought you were made of different material, Al. I'm sorry.
But the wind and air isn't magical or unfathomable, it exists as surely as a steel girder and conforms to all the laws of physics.
 

Stuu

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But Stuu, God is offering you a free gift..... well, not quite free. All you have to do in return is change who you are and become a snivelling subservient wretch and then die.... and then you get your free gift :)
Is there room in the world for the honest pastor?

You could do the training!

Stuart
 

Stuu

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I always thought you were made of different material, Al. I'm sorry.
Englishmen are made of tea, beer, fish, potato chips and calcium carbonate from the water. Englishmen from Bradford often have additional curry.

Much of the world is basically the same. But in some parts the men are made of substantially more curry, and in those places it is even more difficult to get them to align their destiny with the Judeo-christian dictator.

I hope that gives you pause for thought concerning your own beliefs. What if you yourself were made of more curry than average?

Stuart
 

MichaelCadry

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Dear All,

I am sorry that I nothing I say to you can make you see the truth. Why do you think that God's people outnumber atheists by 4 to 1, or maybe a lot more. Why do you think that??!!

It's fruitless for me to bring it up. I still love you because you seem to be definitely wonderful people to me. As time passes, we will discover God (who makes Himself seen {like the wind} through the man, His Son, Jesus Christ.). We will discover Him just like we discovered an atom, or a new cure for the flu, or a distant star or sun. You will see. I must admit that I do include the nasty side of not believing in God, but it is written in His Word and it's a bit disconcerting and scary, right?? You don't just die and that's it. A soul does not die. The Spirit inside it doesn't die. God made it all that way. It is impermeable to death. But it can live for eternity in a nice place or a not-so-nice place. You won't die and that's it. You just wish that. It's not that easy. What purpose would there be for that?? Don't you think that this life has more to offer than just living for 12 years or 70 years?? It's hopeless, I'm afraid.

You don't have to believe. I'm banging my head against a wall. Alwight, Hedshaker, Stuart, of course you can believe what you want to. Regardless of the outcome. It's choice.

Michael
 

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Why do you think that God's people outnumber atheists by 4 to 1, or maybe a lot more. Why do you think that??!!

I bet the pagans asked the Christians the same question back when they outnumbered them 4 to 1. Mere numbers really don't amount to much when it comes to something being true or not.


Evo
 

MichaelCadry

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Is that helping you at all?

Stuart
You don't understand Stuart. I was trying to help you. That is all. You think I'm trying to help myself?? You've got to be joking. I could be out playing putt-putt golf. Anyway, I do want to apologize to you, and Awight, noguru, hedshaker and gcthomas about my adamant behavior the other night. I was just upset about something else. It had nothing to do with you all, but it sort of carried in to the conversation that I had with Alwight. He's such a true blue, loyal, good mate that I should have known better. I really thought that what I said to him would change his mind. But I see I am up against it and so that's that. I'd like to say it won't happen again, and I have this feeling that I'm right. But if someone goads me into it, look out! Hey Stu, you are very cool too. I know you are also a die-hard friend and that you always try to answer the post every night or when you can. Sometimes, you are the only one!! That's just wonderful!! Awesome, dude!!!

Okay, I will try to behave myself. I now realize I cannot change any of your minds. I still love you all by the love that Jesus put in my heart for my fellow buds.

I've Got An Angel In My Pocket!!

Michael

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Dear Evoken,

Yes, I remember when the pagans outnumbered the people of God and what happened. The pagans were all drowned like rats and mice by this God they didn't believe in. It's going to happen again, but not by flood. God said He'd never do flood again, and you can trust His word. He won't flood the whole earth ever again.

Also, maybe I meant the Christians outnumber the atheists by 10 to 1. I don't have any numbers. That's not even counting the Muslims. Most Muslims I know are relatives or friends, but they would turn against Israel in a second, so I don't want to associate with them. Few of them have the guts to stand up for Israel. But there are some. Thanks to the Christian Arabs, which I know of a few indeed. Sorry to go on.

Best Regards,

Michael
 

Stuu

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You think I'm trying to help myself??
Yup. That is exactly what is going on. You like to see other people post their fantasy stories about their gods because it makes you feel better about believing nonsense. But that's not just you, it's every christian posting on ToL. If they were secure in their crackpot beliefs in Imaginary Friends then they wouldn't be posting here.

I still love you all by the love that Jesus put in my heart for my fellow buds.
Finally! A positive use for Jesus.

Poor chap.

Stuart
 

MichaelCadry

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Yup. That is exactly what is going on. You like to see other people post their fantasy stories about their gods because it makes you feel better about believing nonsense. But that's not just you, it's every christian posting on ToL. If they were secure in their crackpot beliefs in Imaginary Friends then they wouldn't be posting here.

Finally! A positive use for Jesus.

Poor chap.

Stuart


Dear Stuart,

Jesus is not a 'Poor chap.' You are. I am very offended that you would refer to Him that way. You do not have my support at all for that vicious attack on My Savior. Yes, I'm VERY UPSET!!

Michael
 

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Dear MarkS,

How are you doing, dude? How's the wife to be?? Sure miss all your posts quite a bit. Thanks so much for all of the music. Was Xavarice on the last Website we were on?? Or was he on this one?? Hey, look how fast we got to 100% here. Hopefully we will get to 120%!! Wouldn't that be kick?!! Life's treating me so well. The only best thing that could happen to me would be to wrap up preparing for the Lord's Return because He is already returning. That would make my lifetime!!

Hang in there. We never thought we'd get to 100% on TOL this time so fast, but we did it faster than we thought. Same could be with the Lord Jesus. Just always wait and keep a watchful eye on the East. Roughly, from East to West, that is how the coming of the Son shall be. I surely hope that everyone is prepared and ready to great Him gracefully and earnestly, and that befitting even more than the Greatest King EVER!!! He deserves it. You have no idea what He's done for us. Not just the physical, but the mental war also. It is tedious, to say the least. Unwarranted and you can tell that Satan is frantic!!

Will hit the road for now. Post me in a PM or something. Or post here. Miss you!! Give your fiance' a big kiss and hug and tell her they are from your good friend MichaelC!!!

In God's Crescendo,

Michael
 

Stuu

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Dear Stuart,

Jesus is not a 'Poor chap.' You are. I am very offended that you would refer to Him that way. You do not have my support at all for that vicious attack on My Savior. Yes, I'm VERY UPSET!!

Michael
Good. Now you might understand how I feel about christians not stopping at controlling their own behaviour but telling everyone else how they should behave.

By the way, I am on Jesus's side. I think the gospel writers, whoever they were, have abused him by making up a christ myth and dumping it on him. That's the vicious attack, actually.

Stuart
 

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Good. Now you might understand how I feel about christians not stopping at controlling their own behaviour but telling everyone else how they should behave.

By the way, I am on Jesus's side. I think the gospel writers, whoever they were, have abused him by making up a christ myth and dumping it on him. That's the vicious attack, actually.

Stuart


Dearest Stuart,

You are a good buddy indeed!! You hurt me badly, but I can see how you could feel somewhat like it or even all the way. I am glad and thankful that you are on Jesus' side. You won't EVER REGRET IT. Trust Me. You'll be in Paradise soon, because you have done what He was hoping. That you care about Him enough to say you are on His side. I see you in Heaven, Stuart. I don't know. I have about 4 or 5 people here who don't know much about evolution, but Noguru and you do better. And Alwight has a special place in my heart, and does gcthomas, and very, very much by Hedshaker. We're music buddies.

Thanks Stu, for making my late morning. It is almost 5am, I've been up all night and you've really made my morning and new day. I love you Stuu, in Christ!

Michael

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Stuu

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You'll be in Paradise soon
I already am.

because you have done what He was hoping.
What, Jesus was hoping I would say that he has been abused by the cult of christianity?

That you care about Him enough to say you are on His side.
The gospel writers have done him a grave disservice. I think it is worth mentioning it on his behalf, since he is dead.

I see you in Heaven, Stuart.
No you won't. Heaven is a fantasy for simpletons.

Thanks Stu, for making my late morning. It is almost 5am, I've been up all night and you've really made my morning and new day. I love you Stuu, in Christ!
But I hate the whole idea of "christ". What a nasty thing to say to me.

Stuart
 

MichaelCadry

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I already am.

What, Jesus was hoping I would say that he has been abused by the cult of christianity?

The gospel writers have done him a grave disservice. I think it is worth mentioning it on his behalf, since he is dead.

No you won't. Heaven is a fantasy for simpletons.

But I hate the whole idea of "christ". What a nasty thing to say to me.

Stuart

Hello Stuart,

Thanks for your reply. It sounds sincere enough to me. When you're in Paradise, you'll certainly know it. This here is a place in-between. Yes there have been a number of nasty Christians who've tried to seduce others into cults, like Jim Jones, or the rest of them. The gospel writers did their best to tell what happened during Jesus' life on Earth, and that's why the four gospels are so similar.

Heaven is not a fantasy for simpletons. You will find that out too soon enough. Jesus is coming soon for those who love Him or want Him. He forgave the thief who was dying on the cross next to Him, so I'm sure He has some room for you too, Stuart. He's got a big heart. I'm sorry I'm getting on so late tonight, but I fell asleep. In the same hour that Jesus died, there was a great earthquake there, and the temple was rent in two, I believe. So you can be sure that God was letting them all know how He felt about it all.

Sure hope I hear from you 2nite. God be with you.

Michael
 

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Dear Alwight,

I miss you. I'm so sorry if I hurt your feelings! Haven't heard from you for awhile. I do hope you'll start posting me again. Will PM you!!

The Best Of Blessings,

Michael
 

MichaelCadry

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Dear All,

What do you think about 'souls'?? I could find out myself, but it does make a good task for all of us to chip in on. (See Dan. 12:3, 12:13). Do they go to heaven. See Rev. 6:9, "And I saw under the altar, the 'souls' of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held (what they had witnessed, i.e. their 'testimony'). We can conclude that our Souls, who make it to Heaven, are definitely there. So I guess I blew that question already. Sorry, did I do that?? Really, I didn't plan this. I do know that God made it so spirit would never die. So what's that mean?? Splain this to me, Lucy!

Love You All,

Michael
 

alwight

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Dear Alwight,

I miss you. I'm so sorry if I hurt your feelings! Haven't heard from you for awhile. I do hope you'll start posting me again. Will PM you!!

The Best Of Blessings,

Michael
Michael, the world doesn't revolve around you, people will pop in or out of a conversational thread like this one sometimes in spite of "real life" and as it suits them to. It is not meant as slight on you should I run out of things to say in it.
"It often shows great command of the English language to say nothing".
Threads just run their course, then they die. :)
 
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