Hundreds of species going extinct because Americans and only Americans are not willing to spend trillions of dollars on highly questionable global warming projects, goals, research, and mandates? Can you not see how silly this is?Hundreds of species going extinct, and super sized storms, floods and droughts killing thousands of people is funny?
You live in the Pacific region don't you? How could you have missed all of the super typhoons?
The time has come for judging the dead,
and for rewarding your servants the prophets
and your people who revere your name,
both great and small—
and for destroying those who destroy the earth.”
Who in their right mind turns to quacks for scientific instruction, whether the graphics are top-quality or not?For anyone interested in actually learning about climate science . . .
Wind turbines: A source of massive amounts of non-biodegrading waste. What happens when wind turbines have to be torn down? The largest parts have to be cut up and shipped to burial sites and buried at least 30' below ground, at huge costs to the consumers of electricity.OK.... so what revolutions are your wind turbines circulating at, and what species of birds are the majority of victims?
The turbines in the Thames Estuary are 150 meters high and revolve quite slowly, actually.
You want to get precise, I can see that, so let's do it.
I'll research to discover what the victim rates are here.
Sad fact of life: Creating energy has inescapable side effects that cannot be avoided, and yet fossil fuels are still the least expensive, most effective, and best source of energy yet. There is no alternative energy source that does not have huge drawbacks as well. Batteries from electric energy sources have a limited life span, limited sustainable output compared to fossil fuels, and used batteries remain a hazardous waste for decades.No? In the UK we've busted so many records for hottest months, hottest year, and this summer really did crank up our temperatures.
Nope.... most of us here just don't believe you.
And because the World acted fast, about thirty years ago, banning various gases used in air conditioning and freezing systems, the ozone layers have almost closed up again over the poles. Oh yeah! 30 years...... yeah! Look at that for evidence.
Hmmmm..... well, the ice is going, and you and I can both see that. So the sea will be rising..... that's a no brainer. Bingo!
Very backward thinking, that. Our inner cities have benefitted so much from exclusion zones for large dirty engines. But you never witnessed a smog in your life.... can't have, or you wouldn't be chucking the 'no benefits and we are all still alive' stuff about. London smogs were so dense that sometimes I could not see 7 feet in front of me. Thousands died each year from respiratory failures caused by smog. And today folks in their forties can't imagine what a smog was like.
No change, eh?
They are amazing. Faster acceleration than ic vehicles. Our F1 racers are hybrid, you know.
Exxon cannot see. It is a corporation, not a person. What did scientists see who worked at Exxon? The same things that other scientists also saw. How did Exxon scientists interpret the data they were seeing? Like other scientists did or did not do, as always. Just because a scientist works at Exxon does not make him infallible, nor are Exxon scientists unaffected by bias, persuasion, delusion, misinterpretations, and so forth.What did Exxon see that you don't?
The ozone hole has diminished considerably.
A good thing that we responded early enough..... about thirty years ago, to see results like that today.
You can see them too.
Well, unfortunately at this time, the ice is going, melting...... now why could that be? Warming, possibly?
Ah, but one of the benefits of thinking 'clean' is that people stay healthier; it's one of the benefits of trying to clean up our environs.
And we are saving so much of our money! Now that should appeal to you, you seem paranoid about everyone trying to rip you off... No? Our new homes are very easy to keep warm in winter, and again, this reduces greenhouse gases whilst helping our pockets.
I expect that you enjoy good profits in what you do?
And research is continually increasing battery performance while reducing costs.
Commerce, Industry, retail and travel all provide good services to their communities.... don't moan if those workers get decent livelihoods out of their work.
We have been discussing bird-strike deaths caused by wind-turbines, as if high rise buildings in general didn't inflict similar injuries.
So when I saw a team of engineers leaving one of the wind-farm launches I asked about this. They don't get too many problems with gulls because they don't fly straight and fast, but a colony of Northern Divers spend the winter around the area of the London Array and they do fly fast/straight which meant that at night they were hitting the turbines. But after installation all the turbines were fitted with very bright red fixed and flashing lights and these seem to have helped considerably.
Obviously some members are very concerned about bird-strikes on wind generators, and no doubt show equal concern over road-kill and such incidents. It's nice to converse with nature lovers like that.
So it's hot this year in some places? Big whoop. 40 years ago the misguided secularists were raising alarms about global cooling and they produced the data from hundreds of years to back up their claims. Not much has changed since then, except that they flipped the narrative and now claim hundreds of years of data shows the earth is warming. Alarmists need to calm down, stop worrying, even trust God to keep earth habitable until He returns to judge the wicked.Well, your perception as to how it was around your house really doesn't do much to contradict the fact that the last three summers were hotter than any previous ones.
Yes, you do, but using your perceptions of things around your place, doesn't even qualify as data. It would qualify as "outlier", though.
Sorry, it's not data.
(tries to change subject)
Closing faster than predicted.
(Waytogo is shocked! to learn that warmer seas produce more precipitation)
"According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008."
Yep. Warmer seas, more water in the air, more precipitation, and the ice sheet in the center of the continent grows. Notice the extreme losses at the edge. This is the big worry now, since that means ice shelves, some as large as states, can break off and drift north to melt.
So that means that even as the ice cap grows, Antarctica has a net loss of ice?
Antarctic Ice Loss Speeds Up, Nearly Matches Greenland Loss
Antarctica showing ice loss between 1996 and 2005 Antarctic ice loss between 1996 and 2006, overlaid on a Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) mosaic image of Antarctica. The colors indicate the speed of the ice loss. Purple/red is fast. Green is slow. Image credit: NASA
› Larger view PASADENA, Calif. - Ice loss in Antarctica increased by 75 percent in the last 10 years due to a speed-up in the flow of its glaciers and is now nearly as great as that observed in Greenland, according to a new, comprehensive study by NASA and university scientists.
In a first-of-its-kind study, an international team led by Eric Rignot of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., and the University of California, Irvine, estimated changes in Antarctica's ice mass between 1996 and 2006 and mapped patterns of ice loss on a glacier-by-glacier basis. They detected a sharp jump in Antarctica's ice loss, from enough ice to raise global sea level by 0.3 millimeters (.01 inches) a year in 1996, to 0.5 millimeters (.02 inches) a year in 2006.
The same thing is going on in Greenland. There's more precipitation, even as the coastline is melting faster and faster.
The extra snowfall is helping to slow the rise in sea level, but Greenland is now a major net loser of ice, and Antarctica is not far behind. As your source points, out, the balance is shifting toward melting on the ice caps, too.
Michael Mann's hockey stick proved to be broken.1100 to 1300ad and was warmer & 1600 -1700 was cooler but that does not fit your narrative
which brings us full circle , the hockey stick graph is a lie
data that doesn't fit your narrative is everywhere
along with the failed predictions & The hockey stick graph lie
40 years from now
James Hansen was a climatologist speculator. He made a living studying data and producing speculations about the data. That does not mean he was right.It fits the data. Your problem is you don't accept the recent data.
Which brings us full circle , the hockey stick graph was accurately predicted by James Hansen, thirty years in advance. No point in denying the fact. Data that doesn't fit your narrative is everywhere, along with the failed denier predictions of global cooling.
You should probably know that most deniers now admit the fact of warming (that's the "hockey stick" thing you were talking about) but just deny that humans have anything to do with it. Would you like to learn how we know they're wrong about that, too?
Hockey stick hokey.Because the dope who wrote this foolishness doesn't understand the most basic principles of mathematics, he doesn't realize that changing the base temperature will have exactly zero effect on the shape of the curve.
He's probably the dumbest denier out there. And he managed to fool someone. :chuckle:
I'll see your Gen 8:22 and raise you...
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat...
God says He will destroy heaven and earth. You say He won't. That makes you a liar.It's not going to end, and no credible climate scientist makes doomsday predictions about anthropogenic global warming.
Global warming is something that the fearful and unbelieving believe will destroy the planet and humankind if not addressed with trillions of dollars very soon. Those secularists who have bought into that lie prove they don't understand the Bible.It either means what it says or it doesn't, but that point is irrelevant. What matters is that global warming does not predict that winter will cease, so it is pointless to claim that Genesis 8:22 contradicts it.
Let's assume secular scientists have been right about the Ice Age. If the earth was once an icebox like people think then global warming turned out to be a very good thing for those of us living today. Let God handle the weather, especially since men can do very little but talk while not being able to change anything.KJV, but if it's wrong it wouldn't be the first time the KJV is inaccurate.
Great, now let's move back to Genesis 8:22 and how it does not contradict global warming. Global warming does not say that spring, fall and winter will cease and that there will only be one long hot summer. Global warming says that the global average temperature will gradually rise a few degrees, which is in fact what we are seeing now and have been seeing for decades.