Cities Across America Creating Rainbow Crosswalks to Celebrate ‘LGBTQ Pride’

[Nihilo]

Do you think people are born gay?

I agree with Gassjester in saying that I don't know, and I don't think anybody does know, and I'd further add that if I must guess, I'd say that its genesis is not unrelated to homosexual sexual abuse of minors, though this can't explain it all.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11501300

Because reasons.

 

[Stripe]

Oh, Stripey, so sweet of you to chime in. Ignorantly as usual.

Darwinists never have a sensible response to anything that challenges their precious religion.

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[Arthur Brain]

Let's say a guy knocks up his girlfriend and dumps her.
Or he cheats on his wife.
Or he sleeps with another man's wife.

Suppose a couple have a healthy, long term relationship, they're just not married? That's what you want rid of isn't it, people having relationships out of wedlock? A marriage certificate isn't going to stop people from cheating if they're intent on it and without condoning it, it's not always as cut and dried as some "cassanova" sleeping about. There's plenty of reasons why relationships break down or go through rocky patches.

It should be a given that all his friends and family will find his actions absolutely despicable and won't associate with him anymore. There should be major stigma attached to such actions. The fact that there isn't, is probably why it happens so constantly.

And it isn't good for society.

It would depend on what happened before I'd leap to such a judgment. Making it illegal for couples to have sex outside of marriage wouldn't solve anything either.

 

[Rusha]

Let's say a guy knocks up his girlfriend and dumps her.
Or he cheats on his wife.
Or he sleeps with another man's wife.

It should be a given that all his friends and family will find his actions absolutely despicable and won't associate with him anymore. There should be major stigma attached to such actions. The fact that there isn't, is probably why it happens so constantly.

And it isn't good for society.

I agree ... for the above, there should be ... yet there isn't. I wonder where that starts? :think: It seems to me that a thrice, married adulterer was just elected to the highest office in America and thereby, the example is coming from the top that adultery is not a big deal.

 

[glassjester]

Suppose a couple have a healthy, long term relationship, they're just not married?

They might as well get married.

That's what you want rid of isn't it, people having relationships out of wedlock?

Have those types of sexual relationships proved useful or beneficial to society?

A marriage certificate isn't going to stop people from cheating if they're intent on it and without condoning it, it's not always as cut and dried as some "cassanova" sleeping about.

True. Just as laws against theft don't stop all theft. Should we do away with those laws, too?

There's plenty of reasons why relationships break down or go through rocky patches.

Certainly.

It would depend on what happened before I'd leap to such a judgment. Making it illegal for couples to have sex outside of marriage wouldn't solve anything either.

Do you suppose infidelity would increase or decrease if it were illegal?

 

[glassjester]

I agree ... for the above, there should be ... yet there isn't. I wonder where that starts? :think:

Since the very concept of family came under attack by the increase of things like no-fault divorce, pornography, contraception, and abortion.

It seems to me that a thrice, married adulterer was just elected to the highest office in America and thereby, the example is coming from the top that adultery is not a big deal.

Maybe. I'd say that's more a symptom than a cause, though.

 

[Arthur Brain]

They might as well get married.

Why? Not everybody wants to get married, or have kids etc.

Have those types of sexual relationships proved useful or beneficial to society?

In themselves they're neutral. You can have a healthy environment in an unmarried household as you can have an unhealthy environment in a married one.

True. Just as laws against theft don't stop all theft. Should we do away with those laws, too?

No, but then stealing property is not the same as having laws governing people's relationships and sexual mores.

Do you suppose infidelity would increase or decrease if it were illegal?

I don't think it would make much difference to be quite honest.

 

[Rusha]

Since the very concept of family came under attack by the increase of things like no-fault divorce, pornography, contraception, and abortion.

Unless you believe that divorce should never be granted, then two of those things is not like the other. Pornography and abortion would be, IMO, grounds for a divorce (as well as adultery, substance and physical abuse). Contraception, not so much.

 

[glassjester]

Unless you believe that divorce should never be granted, then two of those things is not like the other. Pornography and abortion would be, IMO, grounds for a divorce (as well as adultery, substance and physical abuse). Contraception, not so much.

Contraception brought us to where we are with abortion. Once you've divorced the reproductive act from actual reproduction - people "need" an escape route, for when their birth control inevitably fails.

 

[Rusha]

Contraception brought us to where we are with abortion.

No it didn't.

Once you've divorced the reproductive act from actual reproduction - people "need" an escape route, for when their birth control inevitably fails.

Wrong. Birth control pills when used properly are 99.9% effective.

 

[glassjester]

No it didn't.

Oh yes it did. Increased contraception gave license to increased casual sex. Increased casual sex brought increased accidental pregnancies. Unintended pregnancies brought about the slaughter of tens of millions of babies.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/...n-about-how-contraception-decreases-abortions

Wrong. Birth control pills when used properly are 99.9% effective.

Looks good on paper, doesn't it?

 

[glassjester]

In case you'd like to read about the effects of no-fault divorce: http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2013/05/10031/

 

[Rusha]

Oh yes it did. Increased contraception gave license to increased casual sex.

No ... those same people would have had sex with absolutely NO protection.

Increased casual sex brought increased accidental pregnancies. Unintended pregnancies brought about the slaughter of tens of millions of babies.

Education and prevention results in fewer unplanned pregnancies.

https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/contraception/index.htm

How effective are birth control methods?

The effectiveness of birth control methods is critically important for reducing the risk of unintended pregnancy. Effectiveness can be measured during “perfect use,” when the method is used correctly and consistently as directed, or during “typical use,” which is how effective the method is during actual use (including inconsistent and incorrect use)

The best way to reduce the risk of unintended pregnancy among women who are sexually active is to use effective birth control correctly and consistently. Among reversible methods of birth control, intrauterine contraception and the contraceptive implant remain highly effective for years once correctly in place. The effectiveness of the contraceptive shot, pills, patch and ring, and barrier and fertility awareness-based methods, depends on correct and consistent use—so these methods have lower effectiveness with typical use.

For each method of birth control, effectiveness with typical use is provided below. We present this as the percent of women who experience an unintended pregnancy within the first year of typical use (also known as the failure rate).

 

[glassjester]

No ... those same people would have had sex with absolutely NO protection.

You don't think contraception has changed people's attitudes toward sex? The hook-up culture is a result of contraception.

Education and prevention results in fewer unplanned pregnancies.

https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/contraception/index.htm

Yep. Sure looks good on paper.
In practice? Tens of millions of babies killed.

 

[Rusha]

You don't think contraception has changed people's attitudes toward sex? The hook-up culture is a result of contraception.

No ... especially since MARRIED couples use it as well in hopes of starting their family when they are more financially and emotionally stable.

Yep. Sure looks good on paper. In practice? Tens of millions of babies killed.

That is a different discussion that contraception. Blaming contraception for abortion is like blaming toothpaste and regular brushing for cavities.

 

[glassjester]

No ... especially since MARRIED couples use it as well in hopes of starting their family when they are more financially and emotionally stable.

So? Do you think contraception increases casual sexual activity or decreases it?

That is a different discussion that contraception. Blaming contraception for abortion is like blaming toothpaste and regular brushing for cavities.

Contraception indirectly leads to abortion. It changed attitudes toward sex. A casual attitude toward sex led to casual sexual behavior. Which leads to unintended pregnancy. Which leads to abortion.

Which part do you disagree with?

 

[Rusha]

So? Do you think contraception increases casual sexual activity or decreases it?

Neither ... and that is not it's purpose. The purpose is to *prevent* pregnancy for couples who are going to have sex regardless of whether they are married or not. It would be more beneficial to the anti-abortion movement if they would focus on the protection of the unborn rather than the sex lives of women. When is the last time you've read a thread telling men to "just so no"?

Contraception indirectly leads to abortion.

No it doesn't.

It changed attitudes toward sex. A casual attitude toward sex led to casual sexual behavior. Which leads to unintended pregnancy. Which leads to abortion.

Nope ... those who viewed sex as casual will continue to do so regardless of contraception. Easy access to contraception is to PREVENT abortion. Sexual education should be part of every discussion about preventing unplanned pregnancies. The fact that the focus is on sex rather than the lives of the unborn (by some) is rather telling.

Which part do you disagree with?

Contraception leading to abortion is blatantly false.

 

[glassjester]

The purpose is to *prevent* pregnancy for couples who are going to have sex regardless of whether they are married or not.

But not regardless of whether they had contraception or not.

 

[Rusha]

But not regardless of whether they had contraception or not.

There is no good reason for couples who are sexually active to NOT use contraception if they are trying to postpone having a family.