Christ died for them not appointed to Wrath.

OZOS

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Which is the Whole World [kosmos]of God's Elect exclusively !
False, you neither know God, His word, or the gospel.

"Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life." Romans 5:18

It's the same ALL. The same all who were condemned because of the one offense by Adam, are the same all who are offered the free gift, because of the righteousness of Jesus.

"Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life." Romans 5:10

ALL men are justified to receive His life, because He shed His blood for His enemies (including you), but YOU reject His life, having denied the gospel that that Jesus died for all sins, of all men.

You are therefore a child of wrath and without hope.
 

beloved57

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False, you neither know God, His word, or the gospel.

"Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life." Romans 5:18

It's the same ALL. The same all who were condemned because of the one offense by Adam, are the same all who are offered the free gift, because of the righteousness of Jesus.

"Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life." Romans 5:10

ALL men are justified to receive His life, because He shed His blood for His enemies (including you), but YOU reject His life, having denied the gospel that that Jesus died for all sins, of all men.

You are therefore a child of wrath and without hope.
All the Elect. Rom 8:33-34

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth. 34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
 

beloved57

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False. The elect are not only those who were condemned. The same all who were condemned is the same all for whom Christ died.
You are so brainwashed by your cult, you can't even do math.
The Elect are they which Christ died for, who were not appointed to wrath, but to obtain Salvation through Christ who died for them 1 Thess 5:9

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

The us are the elect. Paul said to them earlier 1 Thess 1:4-5

4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.
 

Nanja

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The Elect are they which Christ died for, who were not appointed to wrath, but to obtain Salvation through Christ who died for them 1 Thess 5:9

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

The us are the elect. Paul said to them earlier 1 Thess 1:4-5

4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

Amen Brother, because God's Election of Grace are those Christ died for, they can never be any of those appointed to God's Wrath 1 Thess. 5:9 because they were Justified by His Blood / Death Rom. 5:9-10.

However, because all others [non-elect] work nothing but iniquity; all their works of the flesh being nothing but filthy rags Is. 64:6, they shall permanently remain cursed and under God's Wrath Mat. 7:23.

Rom. 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
 

OZOS

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The Elect are they which Christ died for, who were not appointed to wrath, but to obtain Salvation through Christ who died for them 1 Thess 5:9

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

The us are the elect. Paul said to them earlier 1 Thess 1:4-5

4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.
False. The elect are those who have believed, for they have been elected to receive all that God has for those who are His. They are no longer dead, but now have His life. They are no longer slaves of sin, but slaves of righteousness. They are no longer children of wrath, but children of the promise. The apostle Paul and the entire Bible proves you a liar. YOU claim that only the elect were condemned. The apostle Paul says that ALL are condemned because of the disobedience of Adam. You are a false teacher with a false gospel who is to be accursed (eternally damned).


"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life." Rom 5:10

"Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life." Rom 5:18

The free gift comes to the same ALL that were condemned. Paul just said so, but you hate Paul, and God's word, and the gospel, and Jesus. And because of your stubborn pride and unbelief, you are leading Nanja to hell with you, as well as your family. Shame on you.
 

beloved57

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ozos

False. The elect are those who have believed,

They believe because they were elect, and had already been appointed to obtain Salvation Acts 13:48

48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed
 

OZOS

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ozos

They believe because they were elect.
False. You are liar, like your father, the devil.

Again, in order for you to hold to your doctrine of demons, you pervert the word of God from describing Jews and Gentiles to individuals. ALL cults do this, being elitists, who do not understand God's word or the gospel.

"Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you (Jews) first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles. For so the Lord has commanded us:

‘I have set you as a light to the Gentiles,
That you should be for salvation to the ends of the earth.’ ”

Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed."


Paul is telling the Gentiles that God is bringing them salvation. All those who believe are appointed for eternal life. The point that YOU continue to reject over and over again is what man receives when he believes - LIFE. You pervert the text, because you are a pervert, who is still dead, without Christ, and you have no hope.
 

beloved57

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False. You are liar, like your father, the devil.

Again, in order for you to hold to your doctrine of demons, you pervert the word of God from describing Jews and Gentiles to individuals. ALL cults do this, being elitists, who do not understand God's word or the gospel.

"Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you (Jews) first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles. For so the Lord has commanded us:

‘I have set you as a light to the Gentiles,
That you should be for salvation to the ends of the earth.’ ”

Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed."


Paul is telling the Gentiles that God is bringing them salvation. All those who believe are appointed for eternal life. The point that YOU continue to reject over and over again is what man receives when he believes - LIFE. You pervert the text, because you are a pervert, who is still dead, without Christ, and you have no hope.
I'm witnessing to you the truth.
 

OZOS

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OZOS is a false witness to the Truth.
Nonsense. You have both been exposed as false teachers with a false gospel. You pervert God's word by taking what it says about Jews and Gentiles and attributing it to individuals. Calvinism / reformed theology is a doctrine of demons, and you are both greatly influenced by Satan's religion.
 

beloved57

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Some have been appointed to disobedience 1 Pet 2:8

8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

Disobedience to the Gospel of Christ. Peter writes of them who obey not the Gospel 1 Pet 4:17

For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

Paul also Rom 10:16

But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

2 Thess 1:8

In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

These are the ones Christ didnt die for, and God had appointed them to wrath and disobedience.
 

OZOS

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It's not "obedience", if a parent tells a child to go to their room, and then picks them up and carries them there.

You are a complete idiot.
 

Nanja

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Some have been appointed to disobedience 1 Pet 2:8

8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

Disobedience to the Gospel of Christ. Peter writes of them who obey not the Gospel 1 Pet 4:17

For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

Paul also Rom 10:16

But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

2 Thess 1:8

In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

These are the ones Christ didnt die for, and God had appointed them to wrath and disobedience.

So true indeed Brother, the scriptures do attest to that fact: Yes, even sinners and reprobates are predestined by God; appointed to disobedience; to disobey the Gospel; those He specifically appointed to be punished everlastingly:

2 Thess. 1:9 - Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Rom. 11:7

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

Simply speaking, they were made by God as vessels of wrath to be fitted for destruction eternally, to which they were appointed!

2 Tim. 2:20 - But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.

God's Elect, His Vessels of Mercy are the only ones He commands to believe to give evidence of their New spiritual hearts and renewed capacity to believe the Gospel.

However, the non-elect those God appointed were fitted for destruction Rom. 9:22, to which they were appointed:

Rev. 21:8 - But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
 
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beloved57

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So true indeed Brother, the scriptures do attest to that fact: Yes, even sinners and reprobates are predestined by God; appointed to disobedience; to disobey the Gospel; those He specifically appointed to be punished everlastingly:

2 Thess. 1:9 - Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Rom. 11:7

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

Simply speaking, they were made by God as vessels of wrath to be fitted for destruction eternally, to which they were appointed!

2 Tim. 2:20 - But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.

God's Elect, His Vessels of Mercy are the only ones He commands to believe to give evidence of their New spiritual hearts and renewed capacity to believe the Gospel.

However, the non-elect those God appointed were fitted for destruction Rom. 9:22, to which they were appointed:

Rev. 21:8 - But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Amen Sister !
 

beloved57

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Some have been ordained to condemnation from of old Jude 1:4,13

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
 

OZOS

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Some have been ordained to condemnation from of old Jude 1:4,13

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
It is amazing how someone can read a simple sentence and then make it say something entirely different.

God, chose, elected, predestined, ordained, that all those who reject His Son are chosen, elected, predestined, and ordained to be eternally separated from Him.

It is so simple to understand, that only those who have rejected His Son pervert it.

b57 and Nanja are predestined, chosen, elected, and ordained to spend eternity in darkness, having denied the gospel of the grace of God.
 

Nanja

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Some have been ordained to condemnation from of old Jude 1:4,13

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

Amen Brother, most of the people that ever lived, or shall live on the face of the earth were ordained by God to be eternally condemned:
For He has set apart for Himself only a remnant, the Election of Grace Eph. 1:3-4 to be the recipients of all Spiritual Blessings of Salvation
through Christ Jesus !
 
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