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I saw him/her use that odd term once or twice:
Made me kind of wonder where he/she got it from.
Catholicism vs. Biblical Christianity
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Made me kind of wonder where he/she got it from.
I see!
Sorry that was lost on me!
I've had him on ignore for a week or so now. All I've seen from him mostly is stuff I catch when someone I don't have on ignore quotes him.
I used to be able to tolerate his sort but I now I have to take people like him in small dozes. Otherwise, I tend to lose my temper and lunatics aren't worth that.
Idolater
"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
The most obv answer is that the first is rhetorical.
There's a category that God has set up, it's like the Mt. Rushmore of the Old Testament. Enoch, Noah, Job and Daniel.
$$ Ge 5:24
And Enoch walked with God: and he [was] not; for God took him.
$$ Ge 6:9
These [are] the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man [and] perfect in his generations, [and] Noah walked with God.
$$ Job 1:1
There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name [was] Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
And we don't have any record of Daniel sinning (Ezekiel 14:14, 16, 18, 20), he is a paragon of virtue and morality, in the book about him.
If anybody's going to get added to that category it'd be Jesus's mom.
And maybe His cousin John the Baptist.
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Derf
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Only Enoch didn't actually make the cut:
Ezekiel 14:14 KJV — Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD.
John at least doubted.
Noah got drunk and didn't stop his son from "seeing his nakedness".
Job was rightly chastised by Elihu, who was NOT chastised by God with the three other friends.
Elijah should be added to your list.
And with the deletions and additions, all we have is Enoch and Daniel and Elijah, and only Daniel makes the top three. Elijah is expected to come back at some point, so he seems like a viable candidate for one of the two witnesses, meaning that God had other plans for them, and it wasn"t because they were sinless that God took them up to heaven.
Hebrews 11:5 KJV — By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
It is difficult to see the need for Christ to die on the cross if any one man was able to be sinless without the cross, because that woukd suggest all men coukd do it.
Whether Mary was without sin seems fully answerable by the Catholic prayer: "...Mary, full of grace...". If she needs grace, why? If she was sinless, then she must have earned what she gets, like your examples of Noah, Daniel, and Job. Grace wouldn't be needed.
Romans 4:4 KJV — Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
And of course, because of
Romans 5:20 KJV — Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound
then Mary, if more "full of grace" than the next person, must needs be much more of a sinner than most.