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soulsG5590 =
psuchē
psoo-khay'
From G5594; breath, that is, (by implication)
spirit,
spirit is part of the definition .[/quote]
"Strong's concordance" is not a superior authority to scripture itself, such as Paul's own usage of the word. Do you have an example you can show from scriptural use?
point really is that physically dead people spirits \souls go to heaven
Luk 23:43 And he said to him, "Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise."
The translation you used there DOES have Jesus saying that the thief would be with Jesus in paradise. Unfortunately that mistranslation only makes Jesus into a lair. Jesus wasn't in Paradise during any part of that day. Peter clarified that the soul of Jesus was in hell (see Acts 2) and we know that later he ascended to heaven, but not until later in the day after he was resurrected.
The King James has a better translation of that same text, "today shalt thou be with me in paradise." Jesus still ascends to heaven (and paradise) on his schedule and the promise (decreed that day) is fulfilled on the normal schedule.
Luke 23:43 KJV
(43) And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee,
To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
It's "today shalt" not "today be" or "be today."
what is your view on unbelievers getting a physical body again on judgement day ? evidence for your view ?
(just guessing your opinion is people can't exist without a body.)
Good guess. I'll clarify?
1. "That which is born of the flesh is flesh" (John 3:6) includes all men in Adam (1 Cor 15:45).
2. For purposes of discussion, I do not count "dissolved into constitute atoms" as "existence" any more than I would count a pound of flour and miscellaneous ingredients as the existence of a cake, much less would I consider dissolved carbohydrates and sugars and biological waste product as an existing "cake" after it was eaten and digested. Sorry for having to state what is probably obvious, but establishing that there is such a thing as "destruction" did come up on the Universalist forum.
3. Adam was made a living soul through the combination of dust
and breath. We are composed of flesh
and spirit. These are general terms for matter and spirit, and the human soul (person) simply does not operate without these elements in combination. For example, my computer has its own combination of dust and breath (silicon and power) and the machine cannot function without both operating in the right configuration.
Separate the power from a computer and you have a dead computer, not a "dead physical body of the computer" and a living computer that keeps on rolling somewhere in the invisible ether. Even the combination of hardware and power is nothing by itself, it still needs programming (maybe even call this spirit) or you've got an expensive humming "brick" of a machine. The programming cannot do anything unless it is rightly placed in its computer body.
4. And as for the resurrection, the faithful in Christ are specifically told that they must be changed to inherit this Kingdom. 1 Cor 15. I'll skip this mostly now...
5. And as for the resurrection of the wicked (I think this is your question) then yes, the wicked would also be physically raised on judgment day. Here's some highlights:
Daniel 12:2 "
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake...." includes those who shall awake to shame and contempt. It would be rather unusual to say that they awake out of the earth if there was no awakening out of the earth. Dust and earth are tangible symbols of physical presence which goes all the way back to the creation of Adam from dust in Genesis.
Acts 24:15 "
there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and the unjust." Paul here lays down his faith without deception or deceit, and plainly says that the just and the unjust alike shall be raised. "Resurrection" is a physical thing. When the dead were raised by Jesus (or by others than Jesus) they were always raised physically, in the flesh. That is what the word "resurrection" means. If Jesus had dissolved into a spirit he wouldn't have been said to be resurrected. His body was missing. The Romans were unable to produce a body... and that absence of a body was the proof of resurrection that catapulted the Christian faith and the gospel.
Isaiah 26:19 "Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead." ... Again, here, resurrection is portrayed as an innately physical act.
Job 19:25 -27 "For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me" ... again, Job shows that the resurrection of the dead in that latter day before our Redeemer is physical, "in the flesh."
You might say that Isaiah and Job only speak of faithful believers... but the point is that there is no distinction between faithful and unfaithful in this aspect, that they shall be raised (as Paul says, "both the just and the unjust.") The distinction is that the faithful are changed to receive eternal life (1 Cor 15).
Revelation 20:13 "
and the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them" Here the sea is listed alongside death and hell (which does cover all bases for those that believe you cannot be resurrected if you are cremated, lost at sea, or die in some other way that does not allow "proper" burial.) Would the sea be said to "give up its dead" if the dead still remained in the sea?
And for probably one of the best evidences of all for this question, Isaiah and the gospels:
Isaiah 66:22-24 KJV
(22)
For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
(23) And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
(24) And they shall go forth,
and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
Where are you going to get carcasses of men for that fire if you didn't physically raise the dead in actual physical bodies that become physical carcasses? What is the worm to feed upon? Jesus affirms that this passage in Isaiah is a reference to the hell fire of final judgment (see Mark 9:43-48).
Floating spirit ghosts don't have carcasses!
Thus... the wicked are actually raised (in the flesh) for the final judgment.
