Brit government becoming Nazi-like

ffreeloader

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The British Home Secretary is telling Brits to inform on anyone they see breaking rules. This is just what the Nazi's did under Hitler. The Germans were turned into a bunch of sheep who informed on anyone they saw that they thought might be doing something wrong.

It just goes to show all the coronavirus nonsense is about creating totalitarianism. They are creating a whole nation of people so fearful that they spying on each other.

 

Eric h

Active member
You're pleased that people in the UK don't have the right to defend themselves?
In the case of Britain, firearms murders are 53 times fewer than in the US per capita.
Just looking at these stats, I feel much safer living in the UK.
 

Eric h

Active member
So, you're pleased to say that citizens of the UK are completely helpless when their government goes out of control and becomes totalitarian.
When we have elections in the UK; I feel fairly confident that they are conducted legally. I would not like to live in a time when the citizens bring down a government with guns.

If you allow your citizens to own as many guns as they want, they are free to use them in any way they want. Have guns ever been used to bring down a government in the US.
 

ffreeloader

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When we have elections in the UK; I feel fairly confident that they are conducted legally. I would not like to live in a time when the citizens bring down a government with guns.

If you allow your citizens to own as many guns as they want, they are free to use them in any way they want. Have guns ever been used to bring down a government in the US.
So your feelings are the gauge you use to decide things. Emotions are a poor gauge to use when deciding what is best. Our emotions are highly susceptible to manipulation by outside forces.

Who wants to live through a revolution? Not me. But if a revolution is required to maintain liberty I would rather live through a revolution than live without liberty. Would you rather live in North Korea than live through a revolution? In other words, live permanently without any liberty of conscience, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, etc... rather than live through a temporary revolution to maintain your liberties? Remember, once liberty is gone the only way to regain it is through bloodshed. You cannot vote your way out of totalitarianism.

Up to this time this time there has never been an armed revolt in the US, but our liberties have never been under such attacks as they are now either. But, the founding fathers recognized that what is happening today in our country could very well come about. That's why they guaranteed the right to bear arms.

Liberty is something worth taking risks for, for only with liberty is life worth living. Being told everything you can do, everything you can believe, everything you can speak about, under threat of death or imprisonment is not a pleasant way to live. Look at what happened at Tiananmen Square and why it happened. The people were peacefully demonstrating for liberty and the Chinese government ran them over with tanks. They killed 10,000 plus of their own people to maintain the government's dominance over every aspect of their citizens lives. You would rather live in that type of system than own a gun? Really? You care nothing for your own liberty? Stalin killed millions of his own citizens in some very horrific ways to die, and doomed millions more of them to lives in the gulags where they were starved and worked to death. You think living like that is better than owning a gun and fighting for a life worth living?
 

Eric h

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That has nothing to do with the right of self-defense.
We have the right to self defence, we just don't have the use of guns. As you are 53 times more likely to get shot in the US as opposed to the UK, I don't want to see gun ownership made legal here. Farmers and gun clubs might be the exception; the police seem to carry out strict checks before granting a gun certificate.
 

Eric h

Active member
So your feelings are the gauge you use to decide things. Emotions are a poor gauge to use when deciding what is best. Our emotions are highly susceptible to manipulation by outside forces.
I have lived in the UK for 70 years. When I walk into town, I never have to worry that some unhinged person walking by me might be carrying a gun. I never worry about having a gun near me when I go to bed. I live in peace with these feelings.
But if a revolution is required to maintain liberty I would rather live through a revolution than live without liberty.
It wont be a revolution, it will be a civil war, it will be Americans who have the right to power fighting against other Americans who think they have the right to rule.
You care nothing for your own liberty? Stalin killed millions of his own citizens in some very horrific ways to die, and doomed millions more of them to lives in the gulags where they were starved and worked to death. You think living like that is better than owning a gun and fighting for a life worth living?
If you live in fear of those things happening in the US, then they are your own fears. I don't have these fears; I put my trust in God.
 

Right Divider

Body part
We have the right to self defence, we just don't have the use of guns.
Maybe you could verbally accost an attacker. Do you have the statistics on how many people save their lives and property by using a gun? Probably not.
As you are 53 times more likely to get shot in the US as opposed to the UK, I don't want to see gun ownership made legal here.
The only reason that the US was able to break free from the tyrannical British government was because we used guns.
Farmers and gun clubs might be the exception; the police seem to carry out strict checks before granting a gun certificate.
Farmers and gun clubs are not defending themselves from attackers.

Many millions of people were killed by their governments because they had the right to own guns taken away first.
 

Eric h

Active member
Maybe you could verbally accost an attacker.
Yes. I was attacked by a group of lads, one held a knife to my throat.

I am a peace maker; the only way you can do this is to be in the middle of conflict. I have lost count of the number of times I have walked in the middle of drunken hooligans punching the living daylights out of each other.

The only reason that the US was able to break free from the tyrannical British government was because we used guns.
And the US has sent troops to countless countries in their name of justice. I am sure many of these countries would call the US tyrannical.
Do you have the statistics on how many people save their lives and property by using a gun? Probably not.
Could be because 53 times the number of Americans are killed compared to the UK. These are your fears, this might be why you justify owning guns. These are not my fears.
 

Right Divider

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Yes. I was attacked by a group of lads, one held a knife to my throat.
Did you verbally defend yourself? If you had a gun, you'd be in an excellent position to defend yourself.
Perhaps you should try to get knives outlawed.
I am a peace maker; the only way you can do this is to be in the middle of conflict. I have lost count of the number of times I have walked in the middle of drunken hooligans punching the living daylights out of each other.
All of your "fun" stories are meaningless. The bottom line is that people have the God given right to self defense and a gun is an excellent form of self defense.
And the US has sent troops to countless countries in their name of justice. I am sure many of these countries would call the US tyrannical.
Again you try to deflect from an INDIVIDUALS God given RIGHT to self defense.
Could be because 53 times the number of Americans are killed compared to the UK. These are your fears, this might be why you justify owning guns. These are not my fears.
I don't care one tiny bit what your fears are... every human has a God given RIGHT to self defense and a gun is an excellent form of self defense.
 
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