Blaspheming the Holy Spirit

[Gurucam]

“Wherefore I say unto you, all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men” (Matthew 12:31).

When Jesus was accused of casting out demons by the power of Satan, when in reality He was doing it through the Power of the Holy Spirit, these accusers blasphemed the Spirit of God.

Blaspheming the Holy Spirit can only be committed by someone who professes to know the Lord, as the Pharisees of old, or else had once known Him; and then turned against Him.

The unredeemed, who has NEVER known the Lord, cannot blaspheme the Holy Spirit simply because they have no true knowledge of the Spirit.

The person that blasphemes the Holy Spirit is doomed!

However, the statements do not mean a blackslider cannot not come back to the Lord; but they do mean that one who has actually blasphemed the Holy Spirit, will have no desire to come BACK to the Lord, but in fact, will continue to oppose Him.

Anyone who desires to come to the Lord, which desire is placed there by the Holy Spirit can do so (Rev. 22:17).

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is to go against precisely what the Spirit has in mind for one to pray for, say and do, as discerned within one's own heart or spirit.

For example: If one was led to transgress the Ten Commandments by the Spirit and one choose to uphold the law and ignore the Spirit one has blasphemy the Holy Spirit.

What the Spirit has in mind for one to pray for say and do is always in line with the will of God.

If Abraham did not obey God and kill his son, he would have blasphemy God. Same rule apply for the Holy Spirit. Abraham is our example.

What the Spirit has in mind for each human to pray for say and do, as discerned within one's heart is precisely what is God individualized will for one.

Therefore if one ignores or disobeys what the Spirit has in mind for one to pray for say and do, as discerned within one's heart, one has disobeyed the will of God. Therefore one has blasphemy the Holy Spirit.

To teach that Christians must uphold the Ten Commandments and all other laws of society, morality and religiosity is serious blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. The Lord is now that Spirit and where the Spirit is there is liberty (re. 2 Corinthians: 3 verse: 17).

Yet most people sleep and erroneously (and Antichrist-ly) promote and uphold that Christians must uphold the Ten Commandments and all other laws of society, morality and religiosity. These people are in Peter's church or in one of the spin off churches of Peter which constitute all of traditional Christianity. They were sent by God to Peter, who is Satan, to correct their blaspheming ways and so that their spirit may be saved in the day of our Lord Jesus (re. 1 Timothy: 1 verse: 20 and 1 Corinthians: 5 verse: 5.)​

 

[lifeisgood]

Come on keypurr. Even the Heavens declare the Glory of God, and says that there is no excuse. You all don't even know what the "Glory" of God is, how do you think you're going to get away with being without Faith? Just playing the part over and over? - That's Faithless. Paul -- 050912

I've got to agree with you here, Letsargue. If I had stronger words to use, I would. But this was perfect, from my perspective. :cheers:

 

[Gurucam]

To teach that Christians must uphold the Ten Commandments and all other laws of society, morality and religiosity is serious blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. The Lord is now that Spirit and where the Spirit is there is liberty (re. 2 Corinthians: 3 verse: 17).

Yet most people sleep and erroneously (and Antichrist-ly) promote and uphold that Christians must uphold the Ten Commandments and all other laws of society, morality and religiosity. These people are in Peter's church or in one of the spin off churches of Peter which constitute all of traditional Christianity. They were sent by God to Peter, who is Satan, to correct their blaspheming ways and so that their spirit may be saved in the day of our Lord Jesus (re. 1 Timothy: 1 verse: 20 and 1 Corinthians: 5 verse: 5.)

Jesus needed a Satanic church for people who blasphemy the Holy Spirit (and esteem laws). That is, those who blasphemy Grace through the Spirit and esteem the law. Jesus needed a Satanic church where he could send them to learn not to blasphemy, so that their spirits may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus (re. 1 Timothy: 1 verse: 20 and 1 Corinthians: 5 verse: 5.). So Jesus commissioned a Satanic church. Peter, who Jesus identified to be Satan, was the rock on which Jesus anchored His Satanic commission. This is where Jesus sent those who blasphemy the Spirit. He sent them there for their own betterment.

Paul was given the Christian commission. This is the 'church' or body, of those who esteem and embrace the Holy Spirit.​

 

[Letsargue]

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is to go against precisely what the Spirit has in mind for one to pray for, say and do, as discerned within one's own heart or spirit.

For example: If one was led to transgress the Ten Commandments by the Spirit and one choose to uphold the law and ignore the Spirit one has blasphemy the Holy Spirit.

What the Spirit has in mind for one to pray for say and do is always in line with the will of God.

If Abraham did not obey God and kill his son, he would have blasphemy God. Same rule apply for the Holy Spirit. Abraham is our example.

What the Spirit has in mind for each human to pray for say and do, as discerned within one's heart is precisely what is God individualized will for one.

Therefore if one ignores or disobeys what the Spirit has in mind for one to pray for say and do, as discerned within one's heart, one has disobeyed the will of God. Therefore one has blasphemy the Holy Spirit.

To teach that Christians must uphold the Ten Commandments and all other laws of society, morality and religiosity is serious blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. The Lord is now that Spirit and where the Spirit is there is liberty (re. 2 Corinthians: 3 verse: 17).

Yet most people sleep and erroneously (and Antichrist-ly) promote and uphold that Christians must uphold the Ten Commandments and all other laws of society, morality and religiosity. These people are in Peter's church or in one of the spin off churches of Peter which constitute all of traditional Christianity. They were sent by God to Peter, who is Satan, to correct their blaspheming ways and so that their spirit may be saved in the day of our Lord Jesus (re. 1 Timothy: 1 verse: 20 and 1 Corinthians: 5 verse: 5.)​

WHAT ARE YOU SAYING???

Every Word that has ever been revealed, has been revealed by the Same Spirit, the Holy Ghost!! – Most of you call Him the Holy Spirit, and that shows that some of you miss the point of GHOST!!

Where do you come up with such nonsense as “IN MIND” anything? – There is nothing that is IN MIND now. - It’s all been revealed and is not IN MIND any longer. Revelation is not IN MIND, but exposed, or inspiring to those who can SEE IT!! --- Satan is the in mind fool to all who think they can see something that is not in his stupid mind!!!

Paul 051012

 

[lifeisgood]

To teach that Christians must uphold the Ten Commandments and all other laws of society, morality and religiosity is serious blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. The Lord is now that Spirit and where the Spirit is there is liberty (re. 2 Corinthians: 3 verse: 17).

Yet most people sleep and erroneously (and Antichrist-ly) promote and uphold that Christians must uphold the Ten Commandments and all other laws of society, morality and religiosity. These people are in Peter's church or in one of the spin off churches of Peter which constitute all of traditional Christianity. They were sent by God to Peter, who is Satan, to correct their blaspheming ways and so that their spirit may be saved in the day of our Lord Jesus (re. 1 Timothy: 1 verse: 20 and 1 Corinthians: 5 verse: 5.)

Jesus needed a Satanic church for people who blasphemy the Holy Spirit (and esteem laws). That is, those who blasphemy Grace through the Spirit and esteem the law. Jesus needed a Satanic church where he could send them to learn not to blasphemy, so that their spirits may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus (re. 1 Timothy: 1 verse: 20 and 1 Corinthians: 5 verse: 5.). So Jesus commissioned a Satanic church. Peter, who Jesus identified to be Satan, was the rock on which Jesus anchored His Satanic commission. This is where Jesus sent those who blasphemy the Spirit. He sent them there for their own betterment.

Paul was given the Christian commission. This is the 'church' or body, of those who esteem and embrace the Holy Spirit.​

I'm having no problems understanding Letsargue, lately. Not agreeing with everything, but I can see what he is saying, but you?

In Spanish I think it would say ¿qué dijo?

In English I think it would say --- What ??????

 

[Gurucam]

I'm having no problems understanding Letsargue, lately. Not agreeing with everything, but I can see what he is saying, but you?

In Spanish I think it would say ¿qué dijo?

In English I think it would say --- What ??????

It not understanding Letsargue or me that is important.

Go to the KJV N.T. and post here what you perceive to be the total message in 1 Timothy: 1 verse: 20 and 1 Corinthians: 5 verse: 5.

Go ahead do that.

Then tell me if Jesus did not need the services of Satan for the betterment of some?

Do not go silent now. Let us walk this walk (to Truth). Come on.​

 

[Gurucam]

WHAT ARE YOU SAYING???

Every Word that has ever been revealed, has been revealed by the Same Spirit, the Holy Ghost!! – Most of you call Him the Holy Spirit, and that shows that some of you miss the point of GHOST!!

Where do you come up with such nonsense as “IN MIND” anything? – There is nothing that is IN MIND now. - It’s all been revealed and is not IN MIND any longer. Revelation is not IN MIND, but exposed, or inspiring to those who can SEE IT!! --- Satan is the in mind fool to all who think they can see something that is not in his stupid mind!!!

Paul 051012

There are two kind of people on earth. One set are children of the flesh and the other set are children of God.

Children of the flesh cannot blasphemy the Spirit because they are not aware of the Spirit within their hearts. Their hearts are waxed gross (i.e. covered over). God sent the Spirit of Jesus into the hearts of those under the law so that they might become adopted children of God. Since their hearts are waxed gross (i.e. covered over) they cannot know the Spirit which God sent there. Therefore they can blasphemy the scriptures. The scriptures are not the Spirit. Also since their hearts are waxed gross they are not given to know Truth. All Truth is delivered only by the Spirit.

Only children of God can blasphemy the Spirit because they are aware of the Spirit within their own hearts. Their hearts are not waxed gross and so they are given by God to know Truth.

To be aware of the Spirit, means to have direct, personalized intuitive communion with the Spirit within one's own heart. This means that one is aware of precisely what the Spirit has in mind for one to pray for, say and do, as discerned within one's own heart.

To blasphemy the Spirit means to deny what the Spirit has in mind for one to pray for, say and do, as discerned within one's own heart. One does this by being led into one's works by one's own wisdom instead of being led into one's works by precisely what the Spirit has in mind for one to pray for, say and do, as discerned within one's own heart.

Blasphemy is also the denial that Christians must be led into all their works by precisely what the Spirit has in mind for one to pray for, say and do, as discerned within one's own heart, even if they have to transgress the Ten Commandments and the scriptures.

One's connection and communion with the Holy Spirit is a very personalized and individualized one. So too is what the Spirit has in mind for one to pray for, say and do, as discerned within one's own heart. This does not have anything to do with the scriptures and/or the law.

The scriptures and the laws and canons etc. are for children of the flesh. These are not for children of God. The Spirit is for children of God. The Spirit is not for children of the flesh.​

 

[Letsargue]

There are two kind of people on earth. One set are children of the flesh and the other set are children of God.

Children of the flesh cannot blasphemy the Spirit because they are not aware of the Spirit within their hearts. Their hearts are waxed gross (i.e. covered over). God sent the Spirit of Jesus into the hearts of those under the law so that they might become adopted children of God. Since their hearts are waxed gross (i.e. covered over) they cannot know the Spirit which God sent there. Therefore they can blasphemy the scriptures. The scriptures are not the Spirit. Also since their hearts are waxed gross they are not given to know Truth. All Truth is delivered only by the Spirit.

Only children of God can blasphemy the Spirit because they are aware of the Spirit within their own hearts. Their hearts are not waxed gross and so they are given by God to know Truth.

To be aware of the Spirit, means to have direct, personalized intuitive communion with the Spirit within one's own heart. This means that one is aware of precisely what the Spirit has in mind for one to pray for, say and do, as discerned within one's own heart.

To blasphemy the Spirit means to deny what the Spirit has in mind for one to pray for, say and do, as discerned within one's own heart. One does this by being led into one's works by one's own wisdom instead of being led into one's works by precisely what the Spirit has in mind for one to pray for, say and do, as discerned within one's own heart.

Blasphemy is also the denial that Christians must be led into all their works by precisely what the Spirit has in mind for one to pray for, say and do, as discerned within one's own heart, even if they have to transgress the Ten Commandments and the scriptures.

One's connection and communion with the Holy Spirit is a very personalized and individualized one. So too is what the Spirit has in mind for one to pray for, say and do, as discerned within one's own heart. This does not have anything to do with the scriptures and/or the law.

The scriptures and the laws and canons etc. are for children of the flesh. These are not for children of God. The Spirit is for children of God. The Spirit is not for children of the flesh.​

It’s a good thing that you’re quoting stuff from something else other than the “TRUTH”, because GOD DOESN’T SAY UNTRUTHS SUCH AS THAT STUFF!!!!

Paul – 051112

 

[lifeisgood]

It’s a good thing that you’re quoting stuff from something else other than the “TRUTH”, because GOD DOESN’T SAY UNTRUTHS SUCH AS THAT STUFF!!!!

Paul – 051112

:cheers:

 

[Gurucam]

It’s a good thing that you’re quoting stuff from something else other than the “TRUTH”, because GOD DOESN’T SAY UNTRUTHS SUCH AS THAT STUFF!!!!

Paul – 051112

What are you saying? Are you saying that we cannot trust the KJV N.T. to confirm Truth?

Let us look at it, your comment applied to the following:

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From Gurucam: Now explained further with the applicable KJV N.T. verses added.

There are two kind of people on earth. One set are children of the flesh and the other set are children of God. (re. Romans: 9 verse: 8)

God sent the Spirit of Jesus into the hearts of those under the law so that they might become adopted children of God (re. Galatians: 4 verse: 5 & 6). This is the path to becoming children of God. Therefore those under the law are children of the flesh. And those who have not achieved communion with that Spirit of Jesus within their own hearts are children of the flesh. Is this not absolutely clear? Only those who have embraced and are [size=+1]led[/size] by the Spirit of Jesus as discerned within their own hearts are children of God (re. Romans: 8 verse: 14).

Traditional Christianity believe that "Jesus died on the cross and all are children of God" . . . this is not supported by KJV N.T. revelations of Truth. That was made up by humans.

Children of the flesh do not know or have communion with, the Spirit and therefore they cannot blasphemy the Spirit. They are not aware of the Spirit within their hearts or spirit. Their hearts or spirits are waxed gross (i.e. covered over) (re. Matthews: 13 verse: 10 to 16). God sent the Spirit of Jesus into the hearts of those under the law so that they might become adopted children of God (re. Galatians: 4 verse: 5 & 6). Therefore those under the law are not children of God. They are children of the flesh. They need to embrace an be led by the Spirit of Jesus which God sent into their hearts in order to become adopted children of God (re. Galatians: 4 verse: 5 & 6 and Romans: 8 verse: 14 and Romans: 8 verses: 26 & 27).

Therefore children of the flesh do not know the Spirit. Their hearts are waxed gross (i.e. covered over) and so they cannot know the Spirit which God sent there. Therefore they cannot actually blasphemy the Spirit but they do so any way. Children of the flesh can read and/or hear the scriptures. Therefore they can blasphemy only the scriptures. The scriptures are not the Spirit. Also since their hearts are waxed gross they are not given to know Truth (re. Matthews: 13 verse: 10 to 16). All Truth are things of God and these are delivered only by the Spirit trough one own heart or inward man (re. John: 16 verse: 13 and 1 Corinthians: 2 verses: 9 to 14).

Children of the flesh can blasphemy the scriptures by denying the things (Truth) that are confirmed there with respect to children of the flesh, children of God, the Spirit, one own spirit, salvation, deliverance, etc. And they do this because they do not recognize the Spirit. This is their sad reality. Children of the flesh tend to call themselves children of God with out walking the walk and achieving the actualization to be children of God. It seems that billions (who are children of the flesh) are stumbling at that stumbling block. . . . . Letsargue, do you want to continue to be part of that foolishness, which is foolishness with God? This has been resulting and continue to result, in many being called and few chosen.

With respect to the Spirit, children of the flesh can only blasphemy what the scriptures says about the Spirit. They cannot actually blasphemy the Spirit. The Spirit is not known by them and therefore the Spirit has never delivered anything to them.

Only children of God can blasphemy the Spirit because they are aware of the Spirit within their own hearts (re. Romans: 8 verse: 14). Their hearts are not waxed gross and so they are given by God to know Truth (re. Matthews: 13 verse: 10 to 16 and Galatians: 4 verse: 5 & 6).

To be aware of the Spirit, means to have direct, personalized intuitive communion with the Spirit within one's own heart. This means that one is aware of precisely what the Spirit has in mind for one to pray for, say and do, as discerned within one's own heart (re. Romans: 8 verses: 26 & 27).

To blasphemy the Spirit means to deny what the Spirit has in mind for one to pray for, say and do, as discerned within one's own heart. One deny the Spirit by being led into one's works by one's own wisdom instead of being led into one's works by precisely what the Spirit has in mind for one to pray for, say and do, as discerned within one's own heart.

The most serious blasphemy of the Spirit is the denial and the promotion of the denial of the fact that: Christians must be led into all their works by precisely what the Spirit has in mind for one to pray for, say and do, as discerned within one's own heart, even if they have to transgress the Ten Commandments and the scriptures (re. Romans: 4 verses: 5 to 9 and The Acts: 13 verse: 39 and 2 Corinthians: 3 verse: 17). This denial can be done by children of the flesh. However when they do so it is a denial of scriptures. This denial can also be done by spiritually aware people (who can have communion with the Spirit but deny this communion). This is a denial of the Spirit.

One's connection and communion with the Holy Spirit is a very personalized and individualized one. So too is what the Spirit has in mind for one to pray for, say and do, as discerned within one's own heart (re. Romans: 8 verses: 26 & 27). This does not have anything to do with the scriptures and/or the law (re. Romans: 4 verses: 5 to 9).

The scriptures and the laws and canons etc. are for children of the flesh (re. Galatians: 5 verses: 1 to 4). These are not for children of God. The Spirit is for children of God. The Spirit is not for children of the flesh.

The scriptures are the letters (in John: 7 verse: 15, the scriptures are confirmed to be letters). The letter killeth (2 Corinthians: 3 verse: 6). Therefore the scriptures, which killeth, have nothing to do with the Spirit, which giveth life.

Why does the scriptures killeth (one's spiritual awareness)? Because if one can read or hear the scriptures one is not likely to seek to intuit Truth through one's own spirit from the Spirit. A child who can get along very well by creeping on all four is not motivated to seek to walk upright. .

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[Letsargue]

What are you saying? Are you saying that we cannot trust the KJV N.T. to confirm Truth?

Let us look at it, your comment applied to the following:

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Yes, the Scriptures themselves are TRUTH, "BUT", the trash that is added to support some foolish nonsense, is nothing but making the Truth a LIE!! -- Maybe you should find out what "FAITH" IS!!!

The smallest lie added to the Truth, makes the whole Truth a LIE!!

Paul -- 051112

 

[Gurucam]

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The most serious blasphemy of the Spirit is the denial and the promotion of the denial of the fact that: Christians must be led into all their works by precisely what the Spirit has in mind for them to pray for, say and do, as discerned within their own heart, even if they have to transgress the Ten Commandments and the scriptures.

The fact that Christians must be led into all their works by precisely what the Spirit has in mind for them to pray for, say and do, as discerned within their own heart, even if they have to transgress the Ten Commandments and the scriptures is confirmed and demonstrated unequivocally in: Romans: 4 verses: 5 to 9 and The Acts: 13 verse: 39 and 2 Corinthians: 3 verse: 17.

This denial can be done by children of the flesh. However when they do so it is a denial of scriptures. This denial can also be done by spiritually aware people (who can have communion with the Spirit but deny this communion). This is a denial of the Spirit.​

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[Gurucam]

Yes, the Scriptures themselves are TRUTH, "BUT", the trash that is added to support some foolish nonsense, is nothing but making the Truth a LIE!! -- Maybe you should find out what "FAITH" IS!!!

The smallest lie added to the Truth, makes the whole Truth a LIE!!

Paul -- 051112

I quite agree, foolish people like yourself? Not so? That is those who choose to esteem laws instead of the Spirit.

Jesus confirmed, if there was a law given that could give life then righteousness would have been by law. However there is none. (this means no law, no commandments, no canons etc.) Not even the Ten Commandments giveth life (Romans: 3 verses: 21 & 22).

So now righteousness of God without laws is manifested (re. Romans: 3 verse: 21).

Now the Lord is the Spirit and where the Spirit is there is liberty (re. 2 Corinthians: 3 verse: 17)

God justified the ungodly for those who are led by the Spirit of Jesus. The ungodly is the transgression of the Ten Commandments (re. Romans: 4 verses: 5 to 9). . . . what was justified and by who and for whom? God justified. God justified the transgression to the Ten Commandments. God justified the transgressing of the Ten Commandments to Abraham and his seed. The people want to know Truth, not your tall tales of fiction.

Those who are led by the Spirit has God given justification to transgress (i.e. to break) the Ten Commandments.

This is the liberty given first to Abraham and then his seeds. God justified the transgression of the thou shall not kill (and therefore all other commandments) commandments for Abraham and his seeds when they embrace the Spirit. This is the clearly confirmed in Romans: 4 verse: 5 to 9. You have to make up big lies to dismiss this clearly revealed truth. And you seem up to that trick.

Are you not telling aspiring Christians and Christians that they have to uphold laws like the Ten Commandments etc? Is this not your teaching?

Jesus confirmed: Those who esteem the Ten Commandments in the least, are required to uphold all of them to the finest letter. And they are not under grace and being in Christ is not for them (re: Galatians: 5 verse: 1 to 4). This applies to all laws (Romans: 3 verses: 21 & 22).


You do not like this liberty which is given by God to those who seek to be Christians so you you lie to aspiring Christians and make up your own scriptures. This is very serious. Doesn't that make you a false prophets who came in Jesus name and you are misguiding many?

If this is your method of operation, then wake up and face your serious erring ways and change now, before it is too late.

This persecution of Christians and aspiring Christians under the like of people like you, did not start today. Galatians: 2 verse: 4 confirmed that those who esteem laws were self-righteously persecuting and undermining Christians and aspiring Christians as far back as 2000 odd years ago.

You are stuck on that which is foolishness with God.

What here is not absolutely supported by revelations of KJV N.T.?

This is a baby step. This is not a major revelation among those which dismisses traditional Christian ideas. I ask again, what here is not absolutely supported by revelations of KJV N.T.?

You are misleading aspiring Christians and you are 'bold face' with it.

The hour for Truth to be known in totality, accuracy and clarity is at hand.​

 

[Endtimesprophecy]

“Wherefore I say unto you, all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men” (Matthew 12:31).

When Jesus was accused of casting out demons by the power of Satan, when in reality He was doing it through the Power of the Holy Spirit, these accusers blasphemed the Spirit of God.

Blaspheming the Holy Spirit can only be committed by someone who professes to know the Lord, as the Pharisees of old, or else had once known Him; and then turned against Him.

The unredeemed, who has NEVER known the Lord, cannot blaspheme the Holy Spirit simply because they have no true knowledge of the Spirit.

The person that blasphemes the Holy Spirit is doomed!

However, the statements do not mean a blackslider cannot not come back to the Lord; but they do mean that one who has actually blasphemed the Holy Spirit, will have no desire to come BACK to the Lord, but in fact, will continue to oppose Him.

Anyone who desires to come to the Lord, which desire is placed there by the Holy Spirit can do so (Rev. 22:17).

I agree with this.

 

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“Wherefore I say unto you, all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men” (Matthew 12:31).

When Jesus was accused of casting out demons by the power of Satan, when in reality He was doing it through the Power of the Holy Spirit, these accusers blasphemed the Spirit of God.

Blaspheming the Holy Spirit can only be committed by someone who professes to know the Lord, as the Pharisees of old, or else had once known Him; and then turned against Him.

The unredeemed, who has NEVER known the Lord, cannot blaspheme the Holy Spirit simply because they have no true knowledge of the Spirit.

The person that blasphemes the Holy Spirit is doomed!

However, the statements do not mean a blackslider cannot not come back to the Lord; but they do mean that one who has actually blasphemed the Holy Spirit, will have no desire to come BACK to the Lord, but in fact, will continue to oppose Him.

Anyone who desires to come to the Lord, which desire is placed there by the Holy Spirit can do so (Rev. 22:17).

It is speculative beyond the immediate context of this passage, what the final condition of one who committs this sin is, or if there is some kind of way to be forgiven for this sin. Weigh this against John's writings where he says the blood of Jesus cleanses from all sin. It would seem in the providence of God's INFINITE LOVE....that a soul could be forgiven for any sin.

Note that the Pharisees and scribes would be presumed to not have a true knowledge of the Holy Spirit as in that dispensation given to his immediate disciples, so if you assume they could not be blaspheming the Spirit', then what Jesus was saying, does not apply to them.

It would seem that one could see a work of God and attribute it to the devil (satan) and later repent of such a sin, turning their hearts to God. - for instance, a Pharisee may have later believed after assuming Jesus was using satanic power to perform healings, etc.

If this sin is indeed 'unforgivable' then what does that mean for the transgressor? How does this particular sin eternally doom a soul? Is the one who committs this sin forever confined to a state of hopelessness, eternal torment, dis-ease, restlessness? Does he at some point in time undergo soul-death (disintegration/de-struction)...the cessation of consious existence?

In the light of God's Infinite Love, its hard to believe that a sin is unforgivable, UNLESS it is the total utter absolute complete rejection of God, which somehow affects the soul eternally. Beyond these speculations, only 'God' would really know.




pj

 

[Gurucam]

Dear Letsargue,

I have written a huge letter (to you, my brother), like Paul, my dear (alive in the Spirit) brother, sometimes did.

My deliveries here are totally supported by revelations from the KJV N.T.

Jesus came as man among those people to die as a human sacrifice for the sin which they had up to that time. This was in accordance with the tradition of those who followed Moses. That was the end of their past sin. Under their belief no sacrifice (for forgiveness of sin or any thing else) was acceptable unless it was a blood sacrifice.

They were to avoid future sin by achieving communion with the Spirit within their own individual hearts and then be led into all their works by precisely what this Spirit has in mind for them to pray for, say and do, as discerned within their own hearts. This appraoch was promised to Abraham and his seed. This is how the original Adam was led and this is how he lived. This is also how Jesus was led when He walked on earth in a human physical body. (Jesus identified Peter to be Satan when Peter sough to take Jesus off this path . . . go check Matthew: 16 verses: 21 to 23 in your KJV N.T.).

This is how they (and All other humans) were and are delivered from sin even when they did the things that were deemed sinful. Under this appraoch humans get no sin even when they transgress the Ten Commandments or any other laws. This is God's gift to Abraham and his seeds when they are led into their works by the Spirit which God sent into their hearts.

This is why God sent Jesus a second time in a regenerated way among them. This is why God regenerated the Spirit of Jesus and sent it into the hearts of those under the law so that they might become adopted children of God.

Then we are told very boldly, now (i.e. from 2000 odd years ago) the Lord is that Spirit and where the Spirit is there is liberty. This means that Jesus in the physical human body is no longer the Lord (i.e. since 2000 odd years ago). Nor are Moses' laws the Lord. Since 2000 odd years ago, for those people, the Lord is Jesus in His Spirit which must be discerned within their individual hearts or spirit.

Every one is to (and must) achieve communion with the Spirit and be led by it in the above manner. This is the only path to salvation and deliverance. This is the life in Christ. This is the New Testament which was committed onto Paul.

We are told that those who are led by the Spirit are children of God.

We are told to search our hearts to know what the Spirit has in mind for us to pray for, say and do. We are told that that guidance incorporate precisely what we want at the level of our own spirit and what is God's will for His creation. Because of our infirmities we would not (consciously) know what to pray for, what to say and what to do. But the Spirit knows. The Spirit knows our spirit (not our physical side) And the Spirit makes intercession with God on our behalf. We would know what the Spirit has in mind for us to pray for, say and do, when we search our own hearts or spirits. This is absolutely individualized and precise guidance by the Spirit. This has nothing to do with the generalize guidance under laws and scriptures. The generalize guidance under laws and scriptures are for the spiritually dead.

Those who deny this are blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

Where did your idea of being perpetually forgiven for continuing sin come from?

. . . . just a simple question.

You were told in no uncertain terms: if you esteem the Ten Commandments in the slightest way, you are under the Ten Commandments and you are obliged to uphold all of them perfectly to the letter for your righteousness. And you are not under grace of God and being in Christ is not for you. Jesus has benefited you nothing.

Jesus through Paul confirmed, if there was a law given that could give life then righteousness would have been by law. However there is none. (this means no law, no commandments, no canons etc.) Not even the Ten Commandments giveth life (Romans: 3 verses: 21 & 22).

There is no forgiveness of sin. Every man shall bear his own burden. If one esteems laws and cannons and scriptures etc., he will be judged under these and bear the consequence of not upholding them perfectly and totally. This is described as sewing according to the flesh. Such a person will inevitably reap corruption. If one sews according to the Spirit he reaps ever lasing life, salvation and deliverance.

The laws, canons, scriptures etc. come to one only though one's carnal side, i.e. through physical hearing and physical reading and not intuitively through one's heart or spirit from the Spirit. If one lives according to the guideline of these one is sewing according to one's flesh or carnal side. Under theis appraoch all fall short of the glory of God. One inevitably reap corruption.

Things of God come to one only through one's own heart or spirit and only directly, individually and intuitively from the Spirit. If one is led by the Spirit one is living according to one's heavenly or spirit side. One reaps salvation, heaven and eternal life.

The law, canons and scriptures are only for those who cannot intuit things directly from the Spirit though their own heart. This is because their hearts are waxed gross.

Go forth and deliver only the Truth, with love (re. Ephesians: 4 verses: 14 & 15 and Ephesians: 3 verses: 16 to 19).

Own no one anything but the deliverance of Truth as delivered to you through your own heart from the Spirit of Jesus and supported by KJV N.T. revelations of Truth. Do not rely on your own or anyone's else, intellectual discernment of scriptures. This is the sure passage to being a false prophet who came in Jesus name. This is not the path (to Truth) which Jesus sough to introduce. Jesus said, seek ye first the kingdom of God within (one's heart) and All things will be added. Jesus also confirmed that he must physically go away so that the Spirit of Truth/Holy Spirit/His Spirit will come (to His disciples) and bring All Truth. Jesus through Paul confirmed, in 1 Corinthians: 2 verses: 9 to 14, that only the Holy Spirit delivers Truth directly to one through one's spirit. That is, thing that come to you through your flesh/carnal side (i.e. is through physical hearing and physical reading) are not things of God, these are not Truth.

If you are Christian you would not deny these Truth, will you? Do you not discern these Truth in the KJV N.T.? Are you spiritually dead and simply pretending to be Christian. Spiritually dead people cannot be Christians.

You are not given to make up your own scriptures under the misguided belief that you are some how helping those you misguide with your false doctrines.

The hour is at hand, every one must face the Truth in totality, accuracy and clarity. There is no path to salvation and deliverance but through Truth, as discerned directly and intuitively from the Spirit though one's own heart or spirit. Not even the law, canons and scriptures count for any thing or matters, when it comes to salvation, deliverance and eternal life.

Letsargue,

this post is an essential letter among the set which now constitute the Gospel of Truth/Gospel of un-circumcision. This is the gospel which will now be published in all lands. The gospel which must be published before the end of the dark age comes is not the Bible. The gospel which must be published in all land before the dark age ends is the compilation of Truth in totality, accuracy and clarity, i.e. devoid of parables and laws and ideas which were given for unaware people. Unaware people are those whose hearts are waxed gross, they were and are, not given to know Truth (re. Matthews: 13 verse: 10 to 16) However there are many things in the KJV N.T. that is given to guide them. These will not be needed in the new age of Truth.

Transformation to the new age of Truth is unfolding before you. It is sad to be sleeping through it all.

We are in unprecedented times, brother.

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[Nick M]

The unredeemed, who has NEVER known the Lord, cannot blaspheme the Holy Spirit simply because they have no true knowledge of the Spirit.

The person that blasphemes the Holy Spirit is doomed!

Paul did it. He must have been under a different plan.

However, the statements do not mean a blackslider cannot not come back to the Lord

You have no authority to say anything to anybody. You don't know what salvation is, or you do know, and try to twist it. Get saved. There is no such thing as "backsliding" in the Body of Christ.

 

[freelight]

Paul did it. He must have been under a different plan.

I was going to bring this up earlier, however I didnt because Paul would not qualify as having a knowledge of the Holy Spirit before his conversion to Christ, so his persecution of 'christians' would not be 'blasphemy against the HS'. This is why I brought up that Pharisees and Saducees who looked at Jesus and his followers as being in any way 'satanic' (or not of God), could later be converted and repent of their former opinion of Jesus and his ministry. This apparently happened in Paul's case. Paul could only committ blasphemy against the Holy Spirit AFTER he had a true knowledge and experience of the Spirit of God and not before.



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[lifeisgood]

Paul did it. He must have been under a different plan.

You have no authority to say anything to anybody. You don't know what salvation is, or you do know, and try to twist it. Get saved. There is no such thing as "backsliding" in the Body of Christ.

You say to someone that they have no authority to do something. Could I ask you who gave you your authority to judge others without knowing who they are?

 

[Nick M]

You say to someone that they have no authority to do something. Could I ask you who gave you your authority to judge others without knowing who they are?

The Lord Jesus Christ.