Are your kids being shown pornographic images in school by teachers?

Idolater

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No

Obviously you've never owned a male dog or a female dog for that matter. They'll hump anyting.
Did you read the link? Are you familiar with all their observed perversion? All the atheists themselves say the bonobos are unique, that's why they're so commonly used as 'positive examples' of 'sex positivity', and not dogs.

But anyway even if dogs and bonobos are alone in that kind of perversion, even still, why just them?

Or are you saying that bonobo perversion is found in all the species?

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I agree that dogs are unethical /perverts. I have seen it with my own eyes. And yes dogs are idiots and that's why bonobos being gay was a bigger deal, to those who disagree with /don't hold the Christian value of chastity.

Your idea that the Fall is the reason for both dog and bonobo perversion is a fresh one for me. It immediately makes me think of birds, because out of all the behavior I've seen or read about in nature it seems to me generally that the birds' is the most ethical, perhaps there is one or more bird kinds who are actually our ethical superiors in matters of chastity and perversion, who avoid perversion better than we do, meaning that they value chastity more than we do too.

If this were just the effects of the Fall, in contradistinction to the pigs who ran off the cliff to their deaths in the Gospel story, then I would become very curious about what we might learn ethically, if anything, from the other species; whereas today, I don't think that at all. I don't care what they do wrt ethics, since they're idiots, is basically my attitude. When they're ethical, they're ethical robots anyway, just following instincts that their DNA has, that happen to be ethical.

So if they are unethical perverts like bonobos and dogs, they are just obviously not role models for us, and it might become problematic that they're perverts too, and we might have to actually intervene because they'll just engage in open perversion sometimes, which is completely unethical, according to Biblical morality.

But there are creatures where that's not a concern like it is with dogs and bonobos. You put two male DNA creatures or two female DNA creatures with each other, and there's no chance that they'll practice perversion, but with dogs and bonobos (and, sadly, man) the chance is non-zero.

If this is all just the effect of the Fall alone, and has nothing to do with demonic presence, possession or influence, then I just wonder openly how it is that all creatures aren't as 'naturally' perverted as bonobos, dogs, and man?

Our supernatural theories conflict, but I think we agree on all the objective observable evidence.

And I don't think that that's inconsistent with the evidence.
 
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ffreeloader

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Did you read the link? Are you familiar with all their observed perversion? All the atheists themselves say the bonobos are unique, that's why they're so commonly used as 'positive examples' of 'sex positivity', and not dogs.

But anyway even if dogs and bonobos are alone in that kind of perversion, even still, why just them?

Or are you saying that bonobo perversion is found in all the species?
Way to go. Just keep on exposing who you really are. I'll never read another post of yours without the knowledge this thread has imparted. I'll never forget how much you despise Biblical morality.
 

Idolater

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Way to go. Just keep on exposing who you really are. I'll never read another post of yours without the knowledge this thread has imparted. I'll never forget how much you despise Biblical morality.
AMR.

I adore Biblical morality, and it is clear.
 

marke

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And? So what? Why don't all the species act like bonobos then. They are unique. They engage in things that Paul says is "not so much as named among the Gentiles".

There must be some reason. And it can't just be something that should affect every other species the same way.
Rebels against God act like animals but God does not condone barbarian animalistic behavior in humans.
 

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And? So what? Why don't all the species act like bonobos then.
Your logic is flawed.
There is no requirement that the fall have the identical effect on all kinds of animals.
They are unique.
So what?
They engage in things that Paul says is "not so much as named among the Gentiles".
Paul was only talking about people.
There must be some reason. And it can't just be something that should affect every other species the same way.
Illogical... Why "should" it?
 

Idolater

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Your logic is flawed.
There is no requirement that the fall have the identical effect on all kinds of animals.

So what?

Paul was only talking about people.
Paul was talking about Gentiles, he was using them as a standard, something objective that they could all understand to communicate clearly about.

His comment in 1Co5:1 was comparing that particular type of perversion to typical Gentile perversion, and said even the Gentiles don't do that.

Elsewhere in Romans 1 Paul explains that homosexual perversion is unnatural, similarly to Greek philosophers who taught about parts of chastity, and the Gentiles practiced homosexual perversion, so there is one category of perversion that's natural, like heterosexual premarital fornications, and adulteries, and there's another category of perversion that's unnatural perversion, like homosexuality, bestiality, incest.

1Co5:1 is a whole other category, it's beyond unnatural. So that's why I was thinking maybe demons. What would cause a creature to do something that's so unethical (self-defeating)? Maybe demons.

What would cause pigs to run off a cliff to their death? Maybe demons.
Illogical... Why "should" it?
Then I want to know why. Is it just something physical with man, bonobos and dogs, that the Fall is the reason for all the perversion among just these species, and basically none of the others? Why did the Fall cause so much perversion in a few species but not in all the species?
 

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Paul was talking about Gentiles, he was using them as a standard, something objective that they could all understand to communicate clearly about.

His comment in 1Co5:1 was comparing that particular type of perversion to typical Gentile perversion, and said even the Gentiles don't do that.

Elsewhere in Romans 1 Paul explains that homosexual perversion is unnatural, similarly to Greek philosophers who taught about parts of chastity, and the Gentiles practiced homosexual perversion, so there is one category of perversion that's natural, like heterosexual premarital fornications, and adulteries, and there's another category of perversion that's unnatural perversion, like homosexuality, bestiality, incest.

1Co5:1 is a whole other category, it's beyond unnatural. So that's why I was thinking maybe demons. What would cause a creature to do something that's so unethical (self-defeating)? Maybe demons.

What would cause pigs to run off a cliff to their death? Maybe demons.

Then I want to know why. Is it just something physical with man, bonobos and dogs, that the Fall is the reason for all the perversion among just these species, and basically none of the others? Why did the Fall cause so much perversion in a few species but not in all the species?
Animals behaviors are completely irrelevant. Paul is talking about humans only.
 

Idolater

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Animals behaviors are completely irrelevant. Paul is talking about humans only.
It's relevant to the OP, as to why a teacher of little children would introduce little children to perversion. They are acting like certain animals. Like bonobos and dogs. They don't pursue the value of chastity, again like bonobos, and dogs.
 

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It's relevant to the OP, as to why a teacher of little children would introduce little children to perversion. They are acting like certain animals. Like bonobos and dogs. They don't pursue the value of chastity, again like bonobos, and dogs.
So no need for a quote from Paul then.
 
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