Are You A True Believer?

[Faither]

yes

I should specify , of those thousands of acts of Faith we do everyday , they don't have anything to do with NT faith towards God.

Just so i know your on the same page with me , give me an example of an act of faith that you would complete during your day that has nothing to do with God.

 

[Squeaky]

I should specify , of those thousands of acts of Faith we do everyday , they don't have anything to do with NT faith towards God.

Just so i know your on the same page with me , give me an example of an act of faith that you would complete during your day that has nothing to do with God.

I said
Turn on a light switch.

 

[Ask Mr. Religion]

Vote in the Poll

Vote in the Poll

I believe that Jesus was a human being born of Human parents, who was an obedient servant to the Lord, who had filled him with his spirit, and of who, it is written in Acts 3: 13, "For the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our ancestors has given divine glory to his servant Jesus."

I believe that the man Jesus, has been given divine glory, by our God, 'THE SON OF MAN' and that he now sits in our Fathers throne of Godhead to the creation and that he has invited those, who like himself, are able to win the victory over the ruler of this world, to sit beside him in our Father's throne.

But I do not believe the rubbish preached by the Roman Church of Emperor Constantine, who has twisted and corrupted the scripture to suite her old pagan beliefs. Rubbish, such as the so-called virgin birth.

Please cast your vote in the poll:

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?115654-The-Trinity

AMR

 

[Squeaky]

Please cast your vote in the poll:

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?115654-The-Trinity

AMR

I said\
well everyone knows I'm non trinitarian. I'm in the part that enters through the narrow gate.

Mat 7:13

“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.

Mat 7:14

“Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

 

[S-word]

I said
Now I see your deception. Your still holding to parts of the old testament.

Not to parts of the Old Testament my dear friend, but to ALL of the Old Testament except for the Old covenant, of the Law which has been replaced by the salvation in the blood of Christ.

For no one can be saved by trying to live by the written letter of the law, But only by believing the words of the Lord as spoken through his obedient earthly servant Jesus.

Do you reject the words of the Lord who spoke through his prophets who all point to the day of the great Tribulation, which is soon to occur Immediately before the Great Sabbath of One thousand Years, 'THE DAY OF THE LORD?"

Which prophecies are to be found in the OT.

 

[Squeaky]

Not to parts of the Old Testament my dear friend, but to ALL of the Old Testament except for the Old covenant, of the Law which has been replaced by the salvation in the blood of Christ.

For no one can be saved by trying to live by the written letter of the law, But only by believing the words of the Lord as spoken through his obedient earthly servant Jesus.

Do you reject the words of the Lord who spoke through his prophets who all point to the day of the great Tribulation, which is soon to occur Immediately before the Great Sabbath of One thousand Years, 'THE DAY OF THE LORD?"

Which prophecies are to be found in the OT.

I said
Here is a revelation from Jesus.

ABOUT THE OLD TESTAMENT
FROM THE NEW TESTAMENT
Heb 8:13
13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
2 Cor 3:14-15
14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ.
15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.
Gal 2:21
21 "I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."
Gal 4:4-5
4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
John 10:8-9
8 "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
1 Cor 10:1-12
1 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea,
2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,
3 all ate the same spiritual food,
4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.
5 But with most of them God was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
6 Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted.
7 And do not become idolaters as were some of them. As it is written, "The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play."
8 Nor let us commit sexual immorality, as some of them did, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell;
9 nor let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed by serpents;
10 nor complain, as some of them also complained, and were destroyed by the destroyer.
11 Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, on whom the ends of the ages have come.
12 Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.
Rom 13:8
8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.
John 6:63
63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
John 4:23-24
23 "But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
24 "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
John 17:17
17 "Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
John 3:34
34 "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.
John 3:33
33 "He who has received His testimony has certified that God is true.
John 3:35-36
35 "The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand.
36 "He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
Rom 8:1-2
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3-8
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
Gal 2:19-21
19 "For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God.
20 "I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
21 "I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."
Gal 3:24-25
24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
Gal 5:1-5
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Gal 4:21
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law?
Rom 7:4-6
4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another-- to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death.
6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
Rom 13:10
10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
1 Pet 2:19-21
19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully.
20 For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God.
21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
II Jn 1:9-11
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
John 1:17
17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
(NKJ)

xxx Jesus wants everyone who is going to be a christian to understand that the new covenant(testament) is just that new. That you cant go back and keep any part of the old testament that Jesus hasnt brought over to the new testament. Jesus new what to bring over man doesnt. But the old testament has to be obsolete to you in order for you to get the fullness of the new testament. 1John 1-9 is very specific if you dont abide(live) in the new testament you dont have the real God. There IS a veil over the old testament that remains to THIS day.
If Jesus were in the old testament this verse could only be meant for God and the angels. But Jesus wasnt in the old testament.

 

[Squeaky]

John 10:8-9
8 "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.

xxx Jesus nailed the old testament to the cross. If you have nailed the old testament to your cross, you are in Christianity.

Col 2:13-14
13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,
14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
(NKJ)

Acts 15:10
10 "Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
(NKJ)

Acts 15:24-29
24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, 'You must be circumcised and keep the law'-- to whom we gave no such commandment--
25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth.
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things:
29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.
(NKJ)


Rom 2:1-29

1 Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.
2 But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things.
3 And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God?
4 Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?
5 But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,
6 who "will render to each one according to his deeds":
7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;
8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness-- indignation and wrath,
9 tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek;
10 but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
11 For there is no partiality with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law
13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;
14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves,
15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)
16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.
17 Indeed you are called a Jew, and rest on the law, and make your boast in God,
18 and know His will, and approve the things that are excellent, being instructed out of the law,
19 and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness,
20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, having the form of knowledge and truth in the law.
21 You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal?
22 You who say, "Do not commit adultery," do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples?
23 You who make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the law?
24 For "The name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you," as it is written.
25 For circumcision is indeed profitable if you keep the law; but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.
26 Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision?
27 And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law?
28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh;
29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.
(NKJ)

 

[Squeaky]

Heb 8:7
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
(NKJ)

Heb 10:1

1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.
(NKJ)


Col 2:11-14
11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,
12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,
14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
(NKJ)


Heb 10:9
9 then He said, "Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God." He takes away the first that He may establish the second.
(NKJ)


Gal 5:1-4

1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
(NKJ)
Luke 16:13
13 "No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon."


Gal 3:10
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."
(NKJ)


Rom 7:1-4
1 Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives?
2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man.
4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another-- to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.
(NKJ)

Rom 11:28
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.
(NKJ)

Gal 5:11
11 And I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why do I still suffer persecution? Then the offense of the cross has ceased.
(NKJ)

Acts 21:20-21
20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord. And they said to him, "You see, brother, how many myriads of Jews there are who have believed, and they are all zealous for the law;
21 "but they have been informed about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs.
(NKJ)



xxx Jesus nailed the old testament to the cross. If you have nailed the old testament to your cross, you are in Christianity.


Jesus changed the priesthood,He changed the Law, He annulled the commandments, and He made the covenant obsolete.

Heb 7:11-12
11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
(NKJ)

Heb 7:18
18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,
(NKJ)

Heb 8:13
13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
(NKJ)

 

[Faither]

I said
Turn on a light switch.

Ya Squeaky i'll buy that with one foot note.

You said ,
Turn on a light switch. The word "turn" is a noun. To make it a verb like the Greek does with pisteuo , we would add the "ing" ending , making it , "Turning on the light switch". A verb is an action word that describes something as its happening.

The Greek does the same thing pistis is the noun for "Faith" , pisteuo is the verb for "faith".

We should have been able to add the appropriate ending to the noun "Faith" like they did in Greek , and how we do in many of our own English words.

Pisteuo is used 248 times in the NT , it was mistranslated when the translators used the words believe , believer , and believing. What the English should have had for the translators was the words faithe , faither , and faithing. So every time we read the words believe , believer , or believing it should be faithe , faither , and faithing.

Ok so lets look at some examples of the many acts of faithing we do everyday all day. Keeping in mind that a verb and pisteuo are "acts , based upon a belief , sustained by confidense. The translators not having a good solution to their predicament really just described what a verb was when they used the words believe , believer , and believing. Those ,being a part of what a verb is.

Examples:
Getting out of bed in the morning. Do we check our legs to see if there going to work each day? No. Do we check to make sure the floor will hold us up when we stand on it? No. This is an act , based upon a belief , sustained by confidense. This is an act of faithing but not an act of NT faithing that can leed to being "in Christ". Pisteuo is a specific act , based upon a specific belief , sustained by specific confidense.

Did we check to see if the air was good enough to breath this morning? Did we check to make sure the law of gravity was still in effect before we stood up? No , these are acts of Faith that are being "applied" to make them acts of faithing.

I could go on and on , but i'm sure you have the picture. So lets look at what the Biblical writters were trying to communicate to us.

They used this word pisteuo for how we apply a specific act of NT Faithing to be "in Christ". So lets go to the Greek dictionary and get a definition for pisteuo.

4100 in the strongs , it gives right off the bat a disclaimer , because they know there is a problem with this translation. It says , "Pisteuo means not just to believe , but also to be persuaded of , to place confidense in , to trust , reliance upon, commit unto , commit to ones trust , be committed unto.

The Vines gives the best and most specific definition of pisteuo , and reads "A personal surrender to Him , and a life inspired by such surrender."

So every time we read the words believe , believer , and believing in our NT , what the writers were trying to tell us was that it is a "personal surrender to Him, and a life inspired by such surrender" that they were communicating.

Pisteuo is a specific act , surrendering our lives to Christ. Based upon a specific belief , that Christ will accept , lead , and take care of the surrendered life. Sustained by confidense , that all the many little decisions we make through out the day will support the fact that our life is no longer ours anymore , but His. That all our daily decisions will show God we really have surrendered our life to Him and are making decisions based on that surrender.

We are committed to Him in this way , we trust Him in this way. Its about trusting Him with our lives , not trusting that He will give us all the promises in His Word for "believing" He will. Gods promises are for those who "faithe" into Him , continually surrender their lives to Him on a daily basis . Expecting something in return isn't Faith , that would be a business deal. Or something you find in a vending machine.

Anyway Squeak , i'm trying to show you the difference between what a "true believer" is , and what a true NT faither is. The Greek doesn't even have a word in its language for the English word believe.

 

[Squeaky]

This is what I got from the revelations of Jesus Christ.
FAITH (SPIRITUAL STRENGTH)(Spritual conviction)(True To Your Word)

Heb 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
Rom 12:3
3 For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith.
Rev 3:8
8 "I know your works. See, I have set before you an open door, and no one can shut it; for you have a little strength, have kept My word, and have not denied My name.
1 Tim 6:12
12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.
1 Tim 6:14-16
14 that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ's appearing,
15 which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
16 who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen.
2 Cor 4:7
7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellence of the power may be of God and not of us.
James 1:4
4 But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing.
James 1:2-3
2 My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials,
3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience.
Phil 4:11-12
11 Not that I speak in regard to need, for I have learned in whatever state I am, to be content:
12 I know how to be abased, and I know how to abound. Everywhere and in all things I have learned both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need.
1 Tim 6:7-8
7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
8 And having food and clothing, with these we shall be content.
Heb 13:5-6
5 Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have. For He Himself has said, "I will never leave you nor forsake you."
6 So we may boldly say: "The Lord is my helper; I will not fear. What can man do to me?"
Luke 12:15
15 And He said to them, "Take heed and beware of covetousness, for one's life does not consist in the abundance of the things he possesses."
Col 3:2-3
2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
Eph 4:21
21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus:
2 Cor 4:17-18
17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, is working for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory,
18 while we do not look at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Heb 11:1-3
1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2 For by it the elders obtained a good testimony.
3 By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.
Heb 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
Rom 10:17
17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Rom 10:8
8 But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith which we preach):
James 2:17
17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
James 2:20
20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
James 2:24
24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
James 2:26
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
(NKJ)
xxx Faith is spiritual strength. Now we read the Word and believe it, and if we believe it wrong we receive no real faith. But because faith is a gift from God according to our beliefs, this is why we change our beliefs. If we believe it right God is always there to add a portion of faith to the right belief. Our spiritual strength is what we stand on in resisting the devil. And resisting the flesh(emotions & feelings). Dont be deceived about faith, faith is not you just believing, that is blind faith. Faith is a gift from God for believing the right thing(verses). It says faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. When you can hear the verses quoted to you in your mind by the Holy Spirit and you try to obey the verse you will receive spiritual strength to do just that. But only a portion never enough to get comfortable with but enough to obey the verse. But if your not receiving verses to grow by, and you think you have faith, you are walking in a delusional state.
Our part is to read the Word and believe what we read the way it is written. Gods part is to see that the power is in the Word that He has spoken. Gods gift to us for believing the Word is faith and that faith is our strength to submit to the Word of God. Many believe the Word of God but cant find the strength to obey it. And you cant feel your faith. You can only try to obey it because you believe it. Then you fight inside to obey it(fight the good fight). You fight against your emotions and feelings which are your unclean spirits. You fail and try again, you fail and try again. And each time you fail because you tried you receive another portion of faith. Until your faith is strong enough to obey. And every time you fight your going to suffer wrongfully, and that is walking in love.
Faith is our confidence that God will do what He says He will do in His Word. IF we do what He tells us to do. Blind faith is what alot of people have. Which is not faith but hopeing.

 

[Squeaky]

Rom 5:1-6

1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3 And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance;
4 and perseverance, character; and character, hope.
5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
(NKJ)

Eph 3:14-19
14 For this reason I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
15 from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
16 that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man,
17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the width and length and depth and height--
19 to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.
(NKJ)

1 Pet 1:3-10
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by various trials,
7 that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ,
8 whom having not seen you love. Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory,
9 receiving the end of your faith-- the salvation of your souls.
10 Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you,
(NKJ)

1Thes 1:5
5 For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance, as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake.
(NKJ)

Rom 5:9
9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.
(NKJ)

Acts 2:40
40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation."
(NKJ)


Rom 4:20-25
20 He did not waver at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God,
21 and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform.
22 And therefore "it was accounted to him for righteousness."
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him,
24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead,
25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification.
(NKJ)

Gal 5:6
6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.
(NKJ)



Rom 5:1-4
1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3 And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance;
4 and perseverance, character; and character, hope.
(NKJ)

Eph 2:18-20
18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.
19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,
20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone,
(NKJ)

Eph 3:12
12 in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him.
(NKJ)

 

[S-word]

Heb 8:7
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
(NKJ)

Heb 10:1

1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.
(NKJ)

Heb 10:9
9 then He said, "Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God." He takes away the first that He may establish the second.
(NKJ)

Heb 7:11-12
11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
(NKJ)

Heb 7:18
18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,
(NKJ)

Heb 8:13
13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
(NKJ)

What a pity that Paul is quoting from the OT, How can we possibly believe anyone who is under the deception of the OT? What do you reckon Squeaky?

From where do you suppose that Paul received the information that God was making a new covenant, with his people?

Jeremiah 31:31-32New International Version (NIV) “The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah.

32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them,”

Do you honestly believe, that by making a new covenant with his chosen people, he then rejected, the still unfulfilled prophecies that he made through his Old Testament prophets? I don't believe that you are such an ignoramus as that.

Fancy Jesus, Paul, and all the other apostles, whose teaching were taken from the Hebrew scriptures, being under the deception of the Old Testament.

By changing the covenant, God has freed us from the rules and regulations of the written Law, it is now by the spirit of the law that we live.

For I tell you now that you can lie
There is a time to steal
There is a time to disobey
There is a time to kill
There is a work that must be done
Upon the Sabbath day
No one who understands the Lord
Would teach another way
For the spirit judges, not, on what you do
The heart and soul of man he searches through
It's the reason why the deeds of man are done
This is what the Lord God judges on.

 

[Squeaky]

What a pity that Paul is quoting from the OT, How can we possibly believe anyone who is under the deception of the OT? What do you reckon Squeaky?

From where do you suppose that Paul received the information that God was making a new covenant, with his people?

Jeremiah 31:31-32New International Version (NIV) “The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah.

32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them,”

Do you honestly believe, that by making a new covenant with his chosen people, he then rejected, the still unfulfilled prophecies that he made through his Old Testament prophets? I don't believe that you are such an ignoramus as that.

Fancy Jesus, Paul, and all the other apostles, whose teaching were taken from the Hebrew scriptures, being under the deception of the Old Testament.

By changing the covenant, God has freed us from the rules and regulations of the written Law, it is now by the spirit of the law that we live.

For I tell you now that you can lie
There is a time to steal
There is a time to disobey
There is a time to kill
There is a work that must be done
Upon the Sabbath day
No one who understands the Lord
Would teach another way
For the spirit judges, not, on what you do
The heart and soul of man he searches through
It's the reason why the deeds of man are done
This is what the Lord God judges on.

I said
Well I guess you will have to join the others that have fallen from grace.

Gal 5:1

Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.

Gal 5:2

Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.

Gal 5:3

And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.

Gal 5:4

You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

 

[S-word]

I said
Well I guess you will have to join the others that have fallen from grace.

Gal 5:1

Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.

Gal 5:2

Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.

Gal 5:3

And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.

Gal 5:4

You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

The “Anointed One” is the only exception of all mankind to have been carried to the very throne of the MOST HIGH in the creation, where he was anointed as his successor, and translated in order that he should never experience death. It was He, who filled the man Jesus with his spirit that descended upon him in the form of a dove and chose him as his heir and successor, with these words, “You are my Son, this day I have begotten thee,” or this day I have become your Father.

It was the “Anointed One” (ENOCH) who cannot die, who abandoned his Duplication and successor on the cross and ceased to be an individual entity, by releasing all the spirits of the righteous upon who he had evolved to at that point in time, which spirits came up from their graves, as Jesus cried out; “My God my God, why have you abandoned me,” and three days later, they, the risen body of the anointed one, entered the city of Jerusalem and showed themselves to many as the risen Christ=Anointed One.

Those spirits upon who the Anointed One had evolved, were the spirits of the righteous who had died [The first death] and paid the blood price for sin, who were then judged and separated from the unrighteous dead and joined to the chosen cornerstone of the new creation that comes from mankind, the evolving spirit of the Anointed One within the bosom of Abraham, and over them the second death [That of the spirit] has no power.

The stone that the builders of the Jewish and Roman churches had rejected, has turned out to be the most important stone of all.

The risen body of Christ/The Anointed one, do not arrive to take the thrones that have been prepared for them until the seventh day, when they shall rule the Great Sabbath, which is the seventh period of 1,000 years from Adam, who died in the first day at the age of 930. “In the day that you eat of the forbidden fruit, in that day you shall die.”

Paul said to let no one judge you concerning the Sabbath as it is but a shadow of what is to occur in the future. The great Sabbath of which the weekly Sabbath was but a shadow, is the Lord’s Day in which he shall rule the world for a thousand years.

The Book of Jubilees 4: 30; And he (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: "On the day that ye eat thereof ye shall die." For this reason he 31 did not complete the years of this first day; for he died during it.

Acts 17: 31; “For the Lord has fixed a day in which he shall judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.

But the seventh day does not begin until this, the sixth day ends with the greatest tribulation that this world has ever experienced, and if not for the intervention of the Lord, no flesh would survive.

According to Jewish time, the first destruction of the Temple of Solomon, was 3338 AM, which is 3338 years from Adam. Our time for that destruction of the temple is 587 BC. So adding 587 to 3338, we see that from the birth of Adam to 1 BC=1AD there is 3925 years, add to that the current date, 2017, (3,925+2017=5,942) and we are now living in the 5,942nd year from the birth of Adam (These dates are very ambiguous) which leaves us *According to those dates) another 58 years before the close of the 6th day and the beginning of the 7th, which is the great Sabbath, “The Day of The Lord” the seventh period of one thousand years from the day that Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died in that first day at the age of 930, which day begins after the greatest period of tribulation that this world has ever seen.

PERHAPS YOU ARE EVEN SEEING THE BEGINNINGS OF IT NOW. With Russia, America, and Syria.

The following prophesies are concerning that war to end all wars; which is to be the salvation of the Nation of Israel in the great tribulation, when the Holy City will be surrounded by those nations who would attempt to drive God's chosen people into the sea.

(JOEL 3: 14.) "Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision. The sun and moon shall be darkened and the stars shall withdraw their shining. The Lord also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem, and the heavens and earth shall shake, but the Lord will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

So shall ye know that I am your Lord God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy and strangers will never again conquer it. (This has not occurred as yet.)(

NUMBERS 24: 17-19.) "A King like a bright star, will arise in that Nation. Like a comet he will come from Israel. He will strike the leaders of Moab and beat down all the people of Seth. He will conquer his enemies in Edom and make their land his possession. While Israel continues victorious. The Nation of Israel will trample them down and wipe out the last survivors.

(ZECHARIAH 12: 10.) They shall look upon me, (The anointed one) and see the one they have pierced, (The man Jesus, through who the Lord revealed himself to the world) and they shall mourn for him as one mourns for an only child.

(ISAIAH 63: 1-6.) Bozrah in Edom? Who is this so splendidly dressed in red, marching along in power and strength?" It is the Lord powerful to save, coming to announce his victory. "Why is his clothing so red, like that of a man who tramples grapes to make wine?"

The Lord answers, "I have trampled the Nations like grapes and no one came to help me. I trampled them in my anger, and their blood has stained all my clothing. I decided that the time to save my people had come, it was time to punish their enemies. I was amazed when I looked and saw that there was no one to help me. But my anger made me strong, and I won the victory myself. In my anger I trampled whole Nations and shattered them. I poured out their life's blood on the earth."

The African tectonic plate grinds against the Arabian plate in its Northern migration, and the fault line between the two, runs through the Red Sea and up the Jordan, right through the Mount of Olives"

(ZECHARIAH 14: 13-20.) Zechariah speaks of the day in which the Lord will save his people. Chapter 14: Behold, the day when the Lord will sit in Judgement is near, then Jerusalem will be looted, and the loot taken from you will be divided in your midst. 2 For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women raped.

Half of the city shall go out into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city. "Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations as he has fought in times past. At that time he will stand on the Mount of Olives to the east of Jerusalem. Then the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west by a large valley. Half of the mountain (On the African plate) will move northward, and half of it (On the Arabian plate) will move southward.

The Lord will throw those nations, who would attempt to drive his chosen people into the sea, into a state of confusion, and the weapons of destruction, with which they would destroy Israel, He will cause them to turn upon their own allies, and they will suffer a terrible disease, the soft tissue, such as their eyes and tongues will melt in their sockets, and their radiated flesh, "cooked to the bone," will slide from their bodies while they are still standing.

Then all the surviving Nations, will send their representatives each year to Jerusalem in the land of Israel, to worship, and pay tribute to CHRIST=The Anointed one, who raised Jesus from death and who will rule the whole world with a rod of iron and woe betide those who refuse to do so.

 

[Squeaky]

The only guaranteed message in the whole bible comes from the Holy Spirit. And I can only share with you what the Holy Spirit gives me.

2Co 5:5

Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

 

[S-word]

The only guaranteed message in the whole bible comes from the Holy Spirit. And I can only share with you what the Holy Spirit gives me.

2Co 5:5

Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

Then beware my dear friend and remember that Stephen, who is said to have been filled with the Holy Spirit, said that it was after his father had died that Abraham obeyed god's command to travel into the Land of Canaan the son of Ham.

Stephen also said that the bodies of Jacob and all his sons were taken to Shechem and buried there, he also said that Abraham bought his families burial site from Hamor the father of Shechem, none of which is true.

But people like yourself, who have abandoned the OLD TESTAMENT, wouldn't know that Stephen never spoke the truth according to the Holy Scriptures, because you don't even know what the Holy Scripture, from which Jesus and his disciples quoted, actually says.

 

[Squeaky]

Then beware my dear friend and remember that Stephen, who is said to have been filled with the Holy Spirit, said that it was after his father had died that Abraham obeyed god's command to travel into the Land of Canaan the son of Ham.

Stephen also said that the bodies of Jacob and all his sons were taken to Shechem and buried there, he also said that Abraham bought his families burial site from Hamor the father of Shechem, none of which is true.

But people like yourself, who have abandoned the OLD TESTAMENT, wouldn't know that Stephen never spoke the truth according to the Holy Scriptures, because you don't even know what the Holy Scripture, from which Jesus and his disciples quoted, actually says.

I said
Calm down. It doesn't make any difference .

 

[Faither]

Squeaky , i removed the words "faith" and "believe" in these Scriptures and just replaced them with the definition straight out of the Greek dictionary. The definition is in parenthesis. This is what the writers were communicating to us.



1 Therefore, having been justified by (the surrendering of our lives to Christ), we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
2 through whom also we have access by (the surrendering of our lives to Christ) into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3 And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance;
4 and perseverance, character; and character, hope.
5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
(NKJ)

Eph 3:14-19
14 For this reason I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
15 from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
16 that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man,
17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through (the surrendering of our lives to Christ); that you, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the width and length and depth and height--
19 to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.
(NKJ)

1 Pet 1:3-10
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 who are kept by the power of God through (the surrendering of our lives to Christ) for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by various trials,
7 that the genuineness of your (surrendered life), being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ,
8 whom having not seen you love. Though now you do not see Him, (but surrendering your life to Christ), you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory,
9 receiving the end of your (surrendered life)-- the salvation of your souls.
10 Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you,
(NKJ)

1Thes 1:5
5 For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance, as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake.
(NKJ)

Rom 5:9
9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.
(NKJ)

Acts 2:40
40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation."
(NKJ)


Rom 4:20-25
20 He did not waver at the promise of God through (not surrendering our life to Christ), but was strengthened in (the continual surrendering of our lives to Christ), giving glory to God,
21 and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform.
22 And therefore "it was accounted to him for righteousness."
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him,
24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who (continually surrenders their life ) in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead,
25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification.
(NKJ)

Gal 5:6
6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but (surrendering our lives to Christ) and working through love.


Do you accept this understanding?

 

[Squeaky]

Squeaky , i removed the words "faith" and "believe" in these Scriptures and just replaced them with the definition straight out of the Greek dictionary. The definition is in parenthesis. This is what the writers were communicating to us.



1 Therefore, having been justified by (the surrendering of our lives to Christ), we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
2 through whom also we have access by (the surrendering of our lives to Christ) into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3 And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance;
4 and perseverance, character; and character, hope.
5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
(NKJ)

Eph 3:14-19
14 For this reason I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
15 from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
16 that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man,
17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through (the surrendering of our lives to Christ); that you, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the width and length and depth and height--
19 to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.
(NKJ)

1 Pet 1:3-10
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 who are kept by the power of God through (the surrendering of our lives to Christ) for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by various trials,
7 that the genuineness of your (surrendered life), being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ,
8 whom having not seen you love. Though now you do not see Him, (but surrendering your life to Christ), you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory,
9 receiving the end of your (surrendered life)-- the salvation of your souls.
10 Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you,
(NKJ)

1Thes 1:5
5 For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance, as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake.
(NKJ)

Rom 5:9
9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.
(NKJ)

Acts 2:40
40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation."
(NKJ)


Rom 4:20-25
20 He did not waver at the promise of God through (not surrendering our life to Christ), but was strengthened in (the continual surrendering of our lives to Christ), giving glory to God,
21 and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform.
22 And therefore "it was accounted to him for righteousness."
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him,
24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who (continually surrenders their life ) in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead,
25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification.
(NKJ)

Gal 5:6
6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but (surrendering our lives to Christ) and working through love.


Do you accept this understanding?

I said
well I don't know what you mean by me accepting it. I don't see a problem with it for you and others.
I personally cant use it because then the Holy Spirit couldn't talk to me. He only quotes the KJV and the NKJV to me. The only question I would have is IF they had it right, and we have it wrong. Why doesn't the Holy Spirit quote it to me that way? I hope you can see my delima. And who is to say which one is right and which one is wrong, except the Holy Spirit.

 

[S-word]

I said
Calm down. It doesn't make any difference .

I realise that to people such as yourself, anything that is said in the Old Testament, makes no difference to your belief, which has nothing whatsoever to do with the words of the Lord.

But it will when you see the prophecies of the Lord concerning the day of tribulation, begin to unfold, which is sooner than you think.

But if we were to believe the words of every mentally unstable person, who twists and distorts the scriptures to their own destruction, and claim that they received their corrupt version of the scriptures from the Holy Spirit, we would be as ignorant to the truths as revealed in scripture as they are.