Jerry Shugart
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He doesn't want to discuss what is written.
Anti-Christ Spirit of Spiritual Death Exposed
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He doesn't want to discuss what is written.
Zeke
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Yet you refuse to discuss the real intent of the message! you major on the first interpretation of the letter/shadow/valley of death/temporal instead of the second which is the timeless invisible kingdom of the Spirit/Conscience within Luke 17:20-21, Certainly rabbits exist but those running around during Easter have a different meaning than literal Rabbits which in this case are being used as a symbol to convey a message, Christ being the symbol of the inner first born of the Spirit who has awoken from the carnal mind/antichrist) which is Death, let the dead bury the dead. Luke 17:20-21, Matt 11:11, Galatians 4:24, Acts 17:24, etc..........................pearls in fallow ground of the letter that transcends the theology sowed in time/covenant of death!.
I like your posts... but I must point out. "The fullness of the God Head was within Him."
Also... He said that to have seen Him is to have seen the Father. Do you make that claim. "If you want to see God, just watch me in action". Because of Is. 45:5 ... this claim is impossible to miss. Jesus is revealing that 1 Tim. 3:16 is true. He and Daddy are ONE.
It's one thing to say we are In Christ and Christ is in us....
But... If I say the Father is my Head... well. I just told you that I am the literal face of God.
And... He was and IS. The LOGOS is the very manifestation and expression, very presence of God relating to mankind. Like when the LOGOs was a pillar of fire... or like when it was the ROCK that Moses struck and water came out of... or when that LOGOS covered the Rock and showed Moses the very Back of GOD.
That LOGOS became flesh, and unless you Tare out Philippians 2... it was God and Equal to God and Was God... (And... IS God)
Logos become flesh... a God or God... doesn't matter. If you believe scripture and trust (Lk. 2:11; Is. 43:11; 45:5 and Jesus very words that He and the Father are ONE, which makes John 1:1 pretty clear) and then understand that to see Jesus is to literally see the Father...
Well... the lesser thing is blown out of the Nile river and beyond the Euphrates...
Well.. Thank God we can be in Jesus (Who is God). Straight jacket for the one that says... I and God are One and to have seen Me is to have seen the Father! Unless it's the logos talking....
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Editing in... Is this what you are expressing?
On the other hand... that Transfiguration event expresses what you are explaining. God veiled His Glory, while among us and bound to us through the "womb of Mary".
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Jesus wasn't a shadow! Jesus IS the Light of Creation that pierced the darkness... and that shining light was and remains... UNCREATED... (Gn. 1:3; John 1:1 and John 8:12)
You are misunderstanding what First Born and Only Begotten mean... you are the one stuck on the carnal. It means... the inheritance goes to HIM! (Is. 45:5). Is there any like God besides God?
Creation is symbolized by darkness. It is the result of Thee Spirit that is the only Universal uncaused cause... It is dead clay... Without the SPIRITS Light (Life)... the darkness remains dark and dead.
How's that for light cast on those shadows... which The Lord Of the Sabbath dispels?
1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
No, thank God we can be in Jesus.
1 Cor 1
3Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
4I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;
5That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge;
6Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:
7So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:
8Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
Hmmmm... Punny and peaceful as always. When I say Jesus, I am saying God. After all... Philippians 2:9f. God bows to no one.
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And... I fixed it...
You're pretty sharp! Please don't get the straight jacket!
1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
While it was a good fit that ole straight jacket fell right off.
Rondonmonson
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Godhead from the Greek word theotes G2320 meaning Deity. Which is derived from the G2316 meaning Divinity.
Jesus is Divinity and he is Deity, so the fullness of the Godhead is in him, he is Divine and he is God (Deity) but he is NOT the Fullness of Gods Glory. You are mixing up what Godhead and Glory means. One means Deity/Divinity, which Jesus is, nothing in him is not Divine. But he is not the Fullness of Gods Glory. Here is something the Holy Spirit gave me 30 years ago as a young Christian.
My God, My God, why have you forsaken/Left Me?
You ever wonder what that means ? Well God can not come into the presence of sin, when Jesus had all of our sins upon him, God left Jesus on the cross alone, he had to leave. Thus My God, my God, why have you forsaken me or left me.
If Jesus was all God why would he need to operate in the Holy Spirit ? Its called a Trinity for a reason. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Seeing Jesus is as seeing the Father. Jesus is just like the Father. Love, Hope, Joy, Peace, Kindness, Forgiveness, etc. etc. Now what does Satan look like ? Hate, Lust, Murder, Hopelessness, Depression, Liar, Deceit, Thievery etc. etc.
Jesus is just like God, but you don't have to be the Fullness of God to be the express Image of God. Remember, we were also created in Gods IMAGE.....We fell. This world is the express image of Satan, Jesus' followers are supposed to be like unto him, but we fall far short much of the time and cling to this evil world. Just like the Water I described. Wouldn't every ounce look exactly the same?
So Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God, neither is the Fullness of God, only the Father has the Glory.
David in one of his Psalms said the Lord said to My LORD...........
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1Mind1Spirit
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1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
This made me stop and think.
Are you saying Jesus said to God, sit while I make your enemies your footstool?
Jerry Shugart
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Prove it!
I already tried to explain that he was jumping into the middle of a conversation; and that is why I and asked him to go back and give an answer to what has already been posted in this thread. The reason why I did so is because he believes the exact same thing as the OP, that is that "Jesus is JHWH", (Jerry Shugart), or "Jesus is YHWH", (Evil.Eye.<(I)>), which I purposely mentioned in the same first comments to Jerry here in this thread:
You are jumping in during the middle of a conversation.
First give an answer to all the things that have already been posted herein.
Perhaps you can start with these statements and work your way back:
Among those born of women there is none greater than Yohanan the Immerser, (Luke 7:28).
That which is born of the flesh is flesh: and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit, (John 3:6).
The heavens and the earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away, (Mark 13:31).
Shepherd the congregation of Elohim, which He has purchased with His own blood, (Acts 20:28).
No one has beheld Elohim at any time, (1John 4:12a).
No one has seen Elohim at any time, (John 1:18).
So when you say, "Jesus is JHWH", what makes you think anyone ever saw him?
Did he even attempt to do what I asked him to do? Nope, nadda, nothing. And since his theology immediately starts off by violating the number one cardinal rule, by saying that the Father YHWH became a man and died at Golgotha, his doctrine is already blasphemy from the very start; and thus he needs to explain what has already been presented in this thread from his own perspective if he truly desires to discuss what is written. And this post which follows below is the post he needs to give an answer for, which the OP also offered no explanation for, even though the OP used these passages in his opening post to make his case against my words from another thread. The following contains clear and extremely relevant FACTS which no one in his right mind can deny: Paul quotes not from a Hebrew text but from either the Septuagint or a similar version which we no longer have at our disposal. The modern Hebrew text contains the Tetragrammaton, the name of the Father, while the Septuagint and Paul use a form of Theos instead of the name of the Father, (which would have been Kurios if it was in the Greek Septuagint). There is a critical reason for this but I cannot be the one to explain why this is, (though I do believe I know the answer). There are simply some things that only The Teacher can show a person and I am not He. This is why they get away with claiming that I refuse to answer them; but since they refuse to acknowledge that they in their doctrine are blaspheming the Father by overtly teaching things that are already clearly and openly rebuked in the Scripture itself, it is not my place to give them something more holy to blaspheme.
And I will tell you friend, (1Mind1Spirit), that the above has everything to do with the following statement:
Revelation 19:12 W/H
12 οι δε οφθαλμοι αυτου φλοξ πυρος και επι την κεφαλην αυτου διαδηματα πολλα εχων ονομα γεγραμμενον ο ουδεις οιδεν ει μη αυτος
And I will also say that I quote the Greek text because I have not seen an English translation which actually renders it for what it truly says. But if you look deep enough into this perhaps you will see that, because of the context and what the passage says, it is not my place to share that name with known blasphemers who will only turn, trample, and blaspheme all the more; just as they have already shown the propensity and overt willingness to do, and just as the Master said they would do. You do not give the keys into the sheepfold to wolves and wolverines.
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Rondonmonson
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Just the opposite, the Lord (God) said unto my Lord (Jesus Christ the Savior) sit at my right hand......David saw this in a vision of course.
Jerry Shugart
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Of course the Lord Jesus is our great God and Savior:
"...while we wait for the blessed hope--the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ" (Titus 2:13).
The following passage speaks of us looking for that appearance and the "glory" which we will see will be the Lord Jesus' "glorious body":
"But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body" (Phil.3:20-21).
The following verses are also speaking of the same "appearance" and the same "glory":
"When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory" (Col.3:4).
"Beloved, now are we the children of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure" (1 Jn.3:2-3).
John refers to the things which will happen at the Lord Jesus' "appearance" as a "hope." That is exactly what Paul speaks of here:
"...while we wait for the blessed hope--the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ" (Titus 2:13).
That is why Paul refers to that glory as belonging to the Lord Jesus, our great God and Savior.
Zeke
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No need you do it with every post which is lock step with Rome's historic myth that sold you a flesh and blood hoax.
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1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
Ironically,
You would be wrong. In fact... there is absolutely no similarity between Open Theism and Roman doctrine... at all. However... Arianism does predate the Acts 11:26 title of "Christianity"...
John 8:58f
In verse 58 ... "Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” ... we see the LOGOS that IS GOD, Speaking.
While in verse 59 "Then they took up stones to throw at Him;" ... we see the first Arians.
The Arian followers of Jesus can also be observed in (John 6:66)
# Congratulations on that
So... You see the actual... traditional... Godhead that is insinuated in Scripture and understand the LOGOS and such? I'm suspecting so.
Would ... This verse... (1 Kings 8:27) express what you are conveying?
Jerry Shugart
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Of course you wouldn't touch the verses from the Revelation with a ten foot pole! Just make your snide remarks and then run away from these verses as fast as you can. Here we see God describing himself as the "Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end":
"And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son" (Rev.21:6-7).
The following verses reveal that Jesus Christ is the "Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end":
"And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last" (Rev.22:12-13).
It is the Lord Jesus who is said to be coming quickly:
"He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus" (Rev.22:12-13).
There can be no doubt that since there can only be ONE "Alpha and Omega, the beginning and end" then the Lord Jesus is God. Despite this clear evidence you prove that you put more faith in what some men say about the Scriptures than you do in what the Scriptures actually say!
Curious how you get around the actual context:
Revelation 22:6-13 KJV
6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.
8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.