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marhig

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Go right ahead. I can out quote you. He was God a lot longer than He was a man.

But you'll just ignore the obvious. Watch....

In the beginning the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word WAS GOD. All things were created by Him.

The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. :chew:
Yes the word is God, and God was IN Christ reconciling the world unto himself by the word, by the ministry of reconcilation and Paul says that God has reconciled us to himself BY Christ Jesus.

2 Corinthians 5

And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself BY Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Jesus says this

John 12

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: ]b]whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak[/b]

Jesus only speaks what he hears from the father, he only spoke what the father said to him, thus he only speaks the word of God and nothing of himself, thus God's word is made flesh and dwelt among us, and there is no flesh in God's word through Christ, because Jesus was dead to his flesh and completely living by the will of God and preaching the word of God which he delivered as fresh and pure as he heard it.
 

marhig

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Again-chapter, verse, where I am required to, especially from lost people, like yourself. The 1 Peter verse you quoted does not do it. Try again.


That is slick-you changed your argument, Buckwheat.


=you asserted I must answer-no exception


=you asserted everyone must must answer any/all questions-no exception


And 1 Peter says no such thing.


That is slick-you changed your argument, Buckwheat.



=you asserted I must answer-no exception


=you asserted everyone must must answer any/all questions-no exception


And 1 Peter says no such thing.

Peter says no such thing? I'm actually quoting Peter!

And no I haven't changed my argument, and I'm not arguing with you, I'm speaking the truth. I have showed why Jesus ignored them, and he didn't ignore the woman once he saw that she had faith, and then when she did, she was blessed and her daughter was healed.

Without faith we will never hear or see Christ, through faith and by the grace of God, Christ will walk and talk with us, and help us to overcome the world.
 

marhig

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Don't forget this passage...

God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.For to which of the angels did He ever say: “You are My Son, Today I have begotten You”? And again: “I will be to Him a Father, And He shall be to Me a Son” ?But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all the angels of God worship Him.”And of the angels He says: “Who makes His angels spirits And His ministers a flame of fire.”But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”And: “You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.They will perish, but You remain; And they will all grow old like a garment;Like a cloak You will fold them up, And they will be changed. But You are the same, And Your years will not fail.”But to which of the angels has He ever said: “Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool”?Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation? - Hebrews 1:1-14 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews1:1-14&version=NKJV

And in Hebrews 1:9 it clearly says, GOD EVEN THY GOD. And it also says in that verse that God has anointed him with the oil of gladness above his fellows, thus his anointing comes from God, and that is because he loved righteousness and hatred iniquity.

Hebrews 1:9

Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
 

glorydaz

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Isaiah is talking of the father, our one God, not a three in one God.

The Lord God said there is no other Saviour, and yet Jesus Christ is the Saviour of the world. You slide right over that Rock of Offense, don't you?

You didn't read it, did you? You didn't read how John the Baptist was the one who would "prepare the highway for our God", either, did you? Isaiah 40:3

And Jesus is talking to Thomas regarding him believing that he is raised from the dead because previously Thomas doubted. But now Thomas has seen him, he believes he is raised, and then Jesus says, blessed are they who have not seen, and yet believe.

And I believe that Jesus Christ is raised from the dead.

Also read a little bit further, down to this verse

John 20:31

But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

So, your claim is that Jesus allowed Thomas to call Him Lord and God, and even told him he would be blessed when He isn't really God? You don't know that it's God that giveth life and takes it away?

And I do believe that Jesus is the Christ, the son of God, so who are you to judge me that I'm not saved? I know I'm bring saved, because I'm receiving help to overcome my flesh each day by the power of God, and I couldn't do that by myself. I have complete faith in God and Christ, and I know that God is helping me to overcome by his grace.

This tells it all.

I'm telling you what is clearly seen because I am an ambassador for Christ. You cannot be reconciled to God until you recognize WHO God is. Thomas called Jesus, "My Lord and My God", as all true believers do. No, it's your denial of the Deity of Jesus Christ that keeps you from having full assurance of salvation. You know you're not saved..."being saved" shows your lack of assurance....which is only right. You can have no assurance when you reject your ONLY SAVIOUR. Paul says to examine yourself, whether you be in the faith.

Jesus Christ is, indeed, the stone of stumbling and the Rock of Offense. God came and dwelt among us, and so many reject Him. :nono:
 

glorydaz

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Yes the word is God,


FULL STOP. Don't go scripture hopping. Stay right here.

The WORD was God. ALL THINGS were made by Him.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.​

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.​


God with us, Marhig. Keep stumbling over that Rock of Offense.
 

marhig

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The Lord God said there is no other Saviour, and yet Jesus Christ is the Saviour of the world. You slide right over that Rock of Offense, don't you?

You didn't read it, did you? You didn't read how John the Baptist was the one who would "prepare the highway for our God", either, did you? Isaiah 40:3



So, your claim is that Jesus allowed Thomas to call Him Lord and God, and even told him he would be blessed when He isn't really God? You don't know that it's God that giveth life and takes it away?



This tells it all.

I'm telling you what is clearly seen because I am an ambassador for Christ. You cannot be reconciled to God until you recognize WHO God is. Thomas called Jesus, "My Lord and My God", as all true believers do. No, it's your denial of the Deity of Jesus Christ that keeps you from having full assurance of salvation. You know you're not saved..."being saved" shows your lack of assurance....which is only right. You can have no assurance when you reject your ONLY SAVIOUR. Paul says to examine yourself, whether you be in the faith.

Jesus Christ is, indeed, the stone of stumbling and the Rock of Offense. God came and dwelt among us, and so many reject Him. :nono:

Oh no, Jesus is not a rock of offence to me, I'm not offended by in him the slightest, I love him, and he is my rock and how do I know? Because he's helping me to overcome the world and I hear his voice. I can't do it of myself GD, so I know that I'm being saved, and I know that I'm getting that help from God through Christ to overcome, my flesh is going and this world means nothing to me, neither do the ways of it or the building up in it, all that's gone by the power of the Spirit through Christ.

Satan doesn't fight against himself GD, so if I was of the devil then I wouldn't be overcoming the world, and I am, and God is helping me to overcome satan in my flesh, and he is changing my heart for the better through Christ.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say that I am only to be reconciled to God if I believe that Jesus is God, we are reconciled by the word of God that is in Christ Jesus, preached by Jesus, and God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, giving Jesus the word and Jesus spoke what he heard from the father, just as the scriptures say.

The word is from the father and it is given to Christ Jesus.

John 7

He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me

John 12

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
 

marhig

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The Lord God said there is no other Saviour, and yet Jesus Christ is the Saviour of the world. You slide right over that Rock of Offense, don't you?

You didn't read it, did you? You didn't read how John the Baptist was the one who would "prepare the highway for our God", either, did you? Isaiah 40:3



So, your claim is that Jesus allowed Thomas to call Him Lord and God, and even told him he would be blessed when He isn't really God? You don't know that it's God that giveth life and takes it away?



This tells it all.

I'm telling you what is clearly seen because I am an ambassador for Christ. You cannot be reconciled to God until you recognize WHO God is. Thomas called Jesus, "My Lord and My God", as all true believers do. No, it's your denial of the Deity of Jesus Christ that keeps you from having full assurance of salvation. You know you're not saved..."being saved" shows your lack of assurance....which is only right. You can have no assurance when you reject your ONLY SAVIOUR. Paul says to examine yourself, whether you be in the faith.

Jesus Christ is, indeed, the stone of stumbling and the Rock of Offense. God came and dwelt among us, and so many reject Him. :nono:
Can you explain away all these verses?


John 7:16

Jesus answered them, and said, MY DOCTRINE IS NOT MINE, BUT HIS THAT SENT ME. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, WHETHER IT BE OF GOD, OR WHETHER I SPEAK OF MYSELF.

John 5:30

I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Matthew 11:25

At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O FATHER, LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes

2 Thessalonians 2

Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace, Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

It is not mine to grant but is for those for whom it has been prepared by my Father.(Matthew 20:20-23 KJV)

1 Corinthians 6:14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?(Matthew 26:39 & 27:46 KJV)

Ephesians 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

Father, if you wish, remove this cup from me, not by my will, but thy will.(Luke 22:42 KJV)

Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit.(Luke 23:46 KJV)

Father, the hour is come; glorify your Son - as you have given him power over all flesh

John continues:

John 17:3 kjv

And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. (John 5:19 KJV)

I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me bears witness of me. (John 8:18 KJV).

Touch me not, for I am not yet ascended to my Father I ascend unto my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.(John 20:17 KJV)

I go unto the Father, for my Father is greater than I.(John 14:28 KJV)

John 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.(John 5-30)

Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God(Mark 10:17-18 KJV)

And that is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, BUT TO US THERE IS BUT ONE GOD, THE FATHER of whom are all things and we in him, AND ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST, by whom are all things and we by him. (1 Corinthians 8:4-6 KJV)

But I would have you know that the head of every man in Christ and the head of the woman is the man and the head of Christ is God. (1 Corinthians 11:3).

For there is one God and one mediator between God and man,the man Christ Jesus.(1 Timothy 2:5 KJV)

Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and the God of all comfort. (2Corinthians 1:3 KJV)

Colossians 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together(Romans 8)

1 Timothy 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope; 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ (rev 12)

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Peter 1:3 KJV)

1 Peter 3

Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.(Hebrews 10)

These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: As thou hast given him power over all flesh,that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent..I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Ephesians 1

That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him

Revelation 1

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him

Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.(Hebrews 1:9)

Revelation 3

Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God and I will write upon him my new name..He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Revelation 12:10

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

John 11:21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died. 11:22 But I know, that even now, WHATSOEVER THOU WILT ASK OF GOD, GOD WILL GIVE IT THEE.

One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.(Ephesians 4:6 KJV)
 

glorydaz

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Oh no, Jesus is not a rock of offence to me, I'm not offended by in him the slightest, I love him, and he is my rock and how do I know? Because he's helping me to overcome the world and I hear his voice.

Do you walk on water and raise the dead, too?

I can't do it of myself GD, so I know that I'm being saved, and I know that I'm getting that help from God through Christ to overcome, my flesh is going and this world means nothing to me, neither do the ways of it or the building up in it, all that's gone by the power of the Spirit through Christ.

Did you learn that stuff in the church you attend or what? Jimmy Swaggart?

Satan doesn't fight against himself GD, so if I was of the devil then I wouldn't be overcoming the world, and I am, and God is helping me to overcome satan in my flesh, and he is changing my heart for the better through Christ.

"I am overcoming the world." :DK:

Boasting is excluded by the law of faith.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say that I am only to be reconciled to God if I believe that Jesus is God, we are reconciled by the word of God that is in Christ Jesus, preached by Jesus, and God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, giving Jesus the word and Jesus spoke what he heard from the father, just as the scriptures say.

They profess they know God, but by their works they deny Him.

The word is from the father and it is given to Christ Jesus.

Jesus is the Word God become flesh, and you keep denying what is plainly written. Yes, you stumble over the Rock of Offense. It offends you that Jesus Christ is God manifest in the flesh.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.​

It offends you that Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God, and all things were created by and for Him. Colossians 1:16 You can't even allow yourself to look at the verses I show you. You hide from John 1:1 and John 1:14

Jesus doesn't talk to you, because you can't even understand what has been written.

Run and hide from John chapter 1.
 

glorydaz

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Can you explain away all these verses?

I could walk you through whatever verses you want to bring up, but, let's face it....you won't listen. I could give you a lesson on which verses speak of His humanity, and which speak of His deity, but I won't.


Why? Because you refuse to address the verses in John chapter 1 I gave you. Not a peep. :chew:

NOT a peep. Before you start talking about what Jesus said as a human being, you have to address the fact that He is God come in the flesh. Don't start reading the book in the middle or you'll miss the most important truth of all.

In fact, don't even try to understand spiritual things until you get saved. You're using your fleshly brain, and that piece of equipment has no spiritual understanding.
 

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And in Hebrews 1:9 it clearly says, GOD EVEN THY GOD. And it also says in that verse that God has anointed him with the oil of gladness above his fellows, thus his anointing comes from God, and that is because he loved righteousness and hatred iniquity.

Hebrews 1:9

Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Yup, somehow I knew you would focus in on just one verse, instead of looking at the entire passage as a whole.
 

marhig

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Do
you walk on water and raise the dead, too?

Jesus said my sheep hear my voice, if you can't hear his voice then you are not his sheep.

Did you learn that stuff in the church you attend or what? Jimmy Swaggart?

Who on earth is he?

"I am overcoming the world." :DK:

Boasting is excluded by the law of faith.



They profess they know God, but by their works they deny Him.



Jesus is the Word God become flesh, and you keep denying what is plainly written. Yes, you stumble over the Rock of Offense. It offends you that Jesus Christ is God manifest in the flesh.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.​

It offends you that Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God, and all things were created by and for Him. Colossians 1:16 You can't even allow yourself to look at the verses I show you. You hide from John 1:1 and John 1:14

Jesus doesn't talk to you, because you can't even understand what has been written.

Run and hide from John chapter 1.

You ignore all those verses I have quoted, and concentrate on a couple and go over and over them again and again but you can't see the meaning, that God was in Christ. So of course God came in flesh, he was in Christ Jesus, Paul says clearly God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself. And Jesus was in the express image of God because there was no sin in him, so we see the fullness of God bodily and he is our perfect example to follow.

And all those born of God should be starting to overcome their flesh, that's one of the things that the Holy Spirit does, he helps us to overcome. If we are not overcoming our flesh, then we won't be producing the fruits of the spirit. God can't be seen in us if we are living in the flesh.
 

popsthebuilder

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Are you really so naive?

When we want to get a hypocrite to show their true colors, we brag or we talk mean, or we reach right up there and rip off their goody goody mask. Only a law keeper would fall for such an obvious ploy. :chuckle:

The really incredible part is that the hypocrites don't see their own pride. They think it's too well hidden. :sigh:
Hidden.

Try absent.

Then try considering yourself nothing.

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popsthebuilder

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You're kidding, right?



See....it didn't take long at all.

No separating....."just the SUBSTANCE that made Him the Christ from the TEMPORAL VESSEL that held it."

God did not come down and put on a man suit...leaving the man suit behind later on.

You are denying that Jesus is God. You are denying His Deity. You are an unbeliever....STILL.


King of King and Lord of Lord. Look it up, Pops.
Jesus is my King and my Lord and Christ is GOD, so don't say I deny things just because you don't understand them please.

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No, I read it all,

Liar. Go read verse 8.

but you ignore that verse which is clear that Jesus has a God, and his God has anointed him above his fellows.

You ignore verse 8 where the Father calls the Son "God."

Did you read all the other verses I quoted?

I think I skimmed them briefly.

Do you ignore them too?

Nope, because none of them go against my belief that Jesus is God, and the Father is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet all three are I AM, all three are one God.
 

popsthebuilder

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Do you walk on water and raise the dead, too?



Did you learn that stuff in the church you attend or what? Jimmy Swaggart?



"I am overcoming the world." :DK:

Boasting is excluded by the law of faith.



They profess they know God, but by their works they deny Him.



Jesus is the Word God become flesh, and you keep denying what is plainly written. Yes, you stumble over the Rock of Offense. It offends you that Jesus Christ is God manifest in the flesh.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.​

It offends you that Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God, and all things were created by and for Him. Colossians 1:16 You can't even allow yourself to look at the verses I show you. You hide from John 1:1 and John 1:14

Jesus doesn't talk to you, because you can't even understand what has been written.

Run and hide from John chapter 1.
"Law of faith"

Reference please

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popsthebuilder

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I'm reading what YOU write, and I'm talking about what YOU know and don't know.

My point is that you deny Jesus Christ is God.

Do you deny Jesus Christ is God?

You're being pinned down here. Let's see what ya got.
You do this like once a month.

Jesus is GOD.

I do not think the material temporal Holy Temple is the fullness of GOD.

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popsthebuilder

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Are you really so naive?

When we want to get a hypocrite to show their true colors, we brag or we talk mean, or we reach right up there and rip off their goody goody mask. Only a law keeper would fall for such an obvious ploy. :chuckle:

The really incredible part is that the hypocrites don't see their own pride. They think it's too well hidden. :sigh:
What a load...

You expect me to believe that people exhibit pride to show others how to be humble?

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And you don't have enough expertise to call an anonymous online user a "wolf." You don't have enough evidence.

You just like feeling high and mighty online. Maybe bc you aren't as high and mighty irl?

Thanks for the opinion, but, yes, I do have enough evidence, and I have the clout, authority, to mark/expose/identify/"out" any, and all wolves, by their testimony.


Accept it, wolfie-I am on to you.
 
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john w

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Peter says no such thing? I'm actually quoting Peter!

No, you lied. You quoted Peter, as your proof that I must answer any/all questions posed. That is your argument. I countered-Peter said no such thing. You misquoted him: He said:


Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear.



Read it-You changed it, corrupted it, to

Peter 3:15 KJV But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and always give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear.

That is slick, deceitful.
And no I haven't changed my argument, and I'm not arguing with you, I'm speaking the truth.

Yes, you did-you argued "always answer"-no qualification/exception.



I have showed why Jesus ignored them, and he didn't ignore the woman once he saw that she had faith, and then when she did, she was blessed and her daughter was healed.

Without faith we will never hear or see Christ, through faith and by the grace of God, Christ will walk and talk with us, and help us to overcome the world.

You changed your argument-moved the goal posts-you argued "always answer"-no qualification/exception.
 
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