You have got to be on drugs or something.
Angels in Heaven Have a Free Will
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You have got to be on drugs or something.
beloved57
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As long as you reject Calvinism, you reject the True Gospel!
Nanja
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Absolutely Calvinism is the Gospel of God's Grace! Woe unto him!
Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men,
turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
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The elect angels in heaven, just as those from humanity in heaven now or later, will have no ability to do otherwise than worship eternally in the presence of the Lord. Similarly, those in Hell, reprobate angels and humans alike, will never possess the ability to repent, for if they did and repented, they would happily agree with their destination. The gnashing of teeth in Hell is not some expression of pain or regret, but the ever present fist raised Godward in rebellion.
So much for libertarian free will.
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So much for libertarian free will.
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beloved57
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Yeah, false christians think because the Gospel is now being labeled Calvinism, that it justifies their unbelief of it and minimizing of it to just another opinion of man! Woe unto them!
The angels in heaven had a free will. They chose to rebel and sin against God.
Anything that has the ability to sin or rebel against God has a free will. God does not create robots or puppets as you want to believe.
Nanja
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Where is the word "Calvinism" in the Bible?
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beloved57
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It doesn't matter about that, it is taught in the bible like the Trinity is, where is the Word Trinity in the bible?
alwight
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You apparently don't find that an eternity of wailing and gnashing of teeth to be just a little bit excessive for whatever transgressions are made in one very brief lifetime?
Perhaps Christians should never have any children lest any thus created suffer your claimed fate far worse than death?
Could Christian parents really live a blissful eternity in Heaven knowing that they created an eternal misery?
Stupid questionlain:
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Wakeup! You are in some sort of a stupor.
There is nothing in the Bible about Calvinism, nor was John Calvin an apostle.
You set aside the words of the apostles and embrace the words of a heretic. Wakeup!
beloved57
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Calvinism is the Gospel!
Try 1 John 5:7. It plainly teaches a trinity.
But there is nothing in the Bible that teaches Calvinism.
There is so much scripture that opposes your doctrine.
Shall I list all of them? There are dozens and dozens.
Nanja
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Forget it! Your mind is blinded by the devil 2Cor. 4:3-4, so you have no ability to rightly divide the word of Truth!
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beloved57
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Show me the word trinity in a bible concordance!
ttruscott
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I agree. Evil proves free will or GOD creates us to do evil and we are not guilty.
Before anyone puff up too much over this, as sinners we humans are not so special as to be higher and able to judge the holy angels who have never sinned due to their free will decision to be holy...we will only judge the Satanic and demonic angels, brought lower than us by not repenting while our repentance has raised us up one rung above their evil.
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Your "had free will" is key here, Robert. All angels when created possessed free will. The one-third or so failed their probationary period and are irrevocably damned. Unlike mankind, there is no redemptive plan for these angels (See 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 6).
Just as Adam "had free will" before falling and plunging all his progeny into sin. Original sin both as corruption stemming from our first father (Adam) and as an imputation of Adam's sin. Imputation means to "count as" or "to be reckoned as." So this view of original sin would say that Adam's sin is counted against us as if we had done it ourselves. The guilt of Adam's sin is counted as our own guilt, and we can be punished for it.
The unbeliever can only sin more or sin less and possesses no ability to do otherwise until God replaces their heart of stone with one of flesh. So yes, one may say, the unbeliever has free will, if one understands free will to mean choosing according to one's greatest inclinations at the moment one so chooses.
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ttruscott
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Since as per Matthew 25:31-46 the goats are people who are sent to the fire prepared for Satan and his (demonic) angels, suggesting the goats are demons in human bodies. In large numbers. Goats don't share the fire prepared for Satan and his angels, it is prepared for them as demons embodied as human.
Non-elect sinners of any stripe (human or not in a human body) are condemned already.
beloved57
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My God created men to do evil and then hold them accountable for it! They had no choice in the matter!