Through the same clear lens that I see his failures.
Alt-righter plows into crowd of anti-racists in Charlottesville
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The authoritarian coin?
Neo-nazis are right-wing because they associate with the right-wing side of politics. I'm sure you could define conservatism and right-wing in a way that excludes them but why would you be so concerned about it? Do you think there is guilt by association?
musterion
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Those are not conservatives.
The Right, historically, has been conservative, for maximum personal liberty abiding by law and for limited government. That's why the ultimate goal of fascism, Nazism, socialism and communism is identical: top down control of everything and everyone. Authoritarianism. Totalitarianism.
That's the exact opposite of conservatism.
Arguable. What isn't arguable is they support you. They aren't showing up for the left or for its candidates. They're crazy about yours. Obviously they don't agree with your reading of things.
To me it's fairly clear. The left is about protection for the individual first and the least empowered in relation to the rest. The right is about as rhetorically invested in preserving the status quo, what's left of the power base for a shrinking white population. It has tapped into the emotional resistance by many in that group, into the realization that their numbers and influence are waning and will likely continue to, which is why immigration from countries that aren't likened is so threatening, why suddenly a national language became important to them, etc. That's how Trump became possible, riding the backlash by the nervous to hostile elements in the majority. That majority has some demonstrably racist streaks in it, which is like dry tender, on top of the general disease of a big dog feeling its age and mortality.
So if you're right about your values not being truly compatible, then losing the fear factor, letting go of the suspicion and angst in relation to the other, actually embracing the next wave of helpers in the American experiment and recognizing that diversity isn't inherently division, would drive these otherwise ill adapted goofs from your ranks...or is it them and their problem? Could it be that you need them? That you need their support almost as much as you need that unifying subtext among your own, especially at the margins, where success lives and dies in terms of elections these days.
That's one can kicked about a bit. I'll wait on the right to eventually find their own...maybe. Maybe not, given the above.
I didn't say they were conservative. I said they were right-wing.
ANTIFA, BLM, LBGT, Feminism, pro-abortion, homo marriage, etc, are all groups of the left wing.
The left wing has a lot more trash to clean up.
annabenedetti
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This Holocaust Survivor Noticed A Detail In Charlottesville You Might Have Missed
“You see something like this, you know, it brings back memories and I’m concerned about what could happen in this country.”
“You see something like this, you know, it brings back memories and I’m concerned about what could happen in this country.”
Shock and anger were common feelings for most Americans who followed the recent tragic events in Charlottesville, Virginia.
To Jack Rosenthal, the hate-filled imagery was something he never thought he’d see again, at least not in the United States.
Rosenthal is one of 10,000 Romanian refugees who came to America after World War II. At 88 years old, he still mourns the loss of seven family members who died in the Auschwitz concentration camp. He was the only one to survive.
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Those days of lingering fear and uncertainty felt much closer after watching neo-Nazis rage during the violent demonstrations in Charlottesville, he said. But after all the anti-Semitic speeches and the deadly car attack, it was one particular detail that caught Rosenthal’s attention.
He noticed it while reading about a Aug. 14 court hearing for James Alex Fields Jr., the man accused of plowing his car into a crowd of counterprotesters at the white nationalist rally, leaving a 32-year-old woman dead and injuring at least 19 other people. The article included a photo of Matthew Heimbach, who had helped promote the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, voicing his displeasure outside the courtroom after a judge denied bail for Fields.
The white supremacist’s T-shirt was the first thing Rosenthal saw. On the shirt was a picture of Corneliu Zelea Codreanu, a pre-WWII leader of the Romanian fascist Legion of Saint Michael the Archangel and the Iron Guard political party, which were both linked to the Nazi party.
Codreanu was the face behind pogroms in Romania. The large-scale violent riots killed tens of thousands of Romanian Jews during the 1930s leading up to the Holocaust.
“I recognized the name right away,” Rosenthal said. “You see something like this, you know, it brings back memories and I’m concerned about what could happen in this country,” he said.
To Jack Rosenthal, the hate-filled imagery was something he never thought he’d see again, at least not in the United States.
Rosenthal is one of 10,000 Romanian refugees who came to America after World War II. At 88 years old, he still mourns the loss of seven family members who died in the Auschwitz concentration camp. He was the only one to survive.
. . . .
Those days of lingering fear and uncertainty felt much closer after watching neo-Nazis rage during the violent demonstrations in Charlottesville, he said. But after all the anti-Semitic speeches and the deadly car attack, it was one particular detail that caught Rosenthal’s attention.
He noticed it while reading about a Aug. 14 court hearing for James Alex Fields Jr., the man accused of plowing his car into a crowd of counterprotesters at the white nationalist rally, leaving a 32-year-old woman dead and injuring at least 19 other people. The article included a photo of Matthew Heimbach, who had helped promote the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, voicing his displeasure outside the courtroom after a judge denied bail for Fields.
The white supremacist’s T-shirt was the first thing Rosenthal saw. On the shirt was a picture of Corneliu Zelea Codreanu, a pre-WWII leader of the Romanian fascist Legion of Saint Michael the Archangel and the Iron Guard political party, which were both linked to the Nazi party.
Codreanu was the face behind pogroms in Romania. The large-scale violent riots killed tens of thousands of Romanian Jews during the 1930s leading up to the Holocaust.
“I recognized the name right away,” Rosenthal said. “You see something like this, you know, it brings back memories and I’m concerned about what could happen in this country,” he said.
You aren't going to hear reason, kmo. I'm not going to get an answer. You're going to hear desperate attempts at misdirection. That's all they have, because the truth isn't flattering to them.
Keep the information coming, anna. :thumb:
annabenedetti
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Nailed it.
It's not a competition. And besides Antifa the groups don't deserve mention.
drbrumley
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About your left leaning right wing groups, absolutely, keep on posting Anna! :up:
Maybe one day you will figure it out...
drbrumley
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So Commies get a pass...wonderful.
drbrumley
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Then you and your cohorts here can start by calling them what they are, leftists.
Get a pass on what? 'Commies' wasn't even listed there, so I'm not certain who you are equating with commies. Unless they are all commies.
In what way?
You said they are two sides of the same coin. I asked if you meant the authoritarian coin. Two sides of the coin would be left and right. :idunno:
Maybe one day you'll stop hiding behind a side bar and address the point I had to address for you: why the Alt Right, the White Supremacists, the Klan and neo-Nazis are in bed with the conservative right and not the left you keep pointing to.
drbrumley
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Commies are socialist in nature, Nazi's are socialist in nature....always have been, always will be. Both are leftists....What's happening here in the United States right now is a fight between two left wing groups,,,Just like WW2. Germany hated Russia for their left wing brand of socialism...
drbrumley
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They are not in bed with conservatives Town, no matter how much to try to paint that picture...
They might not be your kind of conservatives, but they're backing the candidates and causes of the right. I'm not painting it, they are. And you're not answering on it.
drbrumley
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The right does not equate to conservatism...
But what candidates and causes of conservatism are they backing Town..name them....
Free speech? Um, no
Free markets? Um, no
Abortion issues? Um, no
A limited, central government? Definitely NO!
So what causes are we talking about Town....?