31 Reasons To Reject The Jab

marke

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Change the subject much?

As of Oct 4th 2021 (ten days ago as of this writing) there have been 23,506 break through cases in the United States that resulted in hospitalization. 6617 (28 %) of those resulted in death.

That actually isn't the real number of infections because those numbers completely ignore asymptomatic cases and the reporting is voluntary, etc but that doesn't matter really because it is a sufficient number of reports to show trends and allow for a relatively accurate understanding of how well the vaccines are working because the same people who report these data also report data concerning regular (i.e. non - break through) cases. The two data set can then be compared and good conclusions can be reasonably drawn and to date, no unexpected patterns have been identified in the case demographics or vaccine characteristics among people with reported vaccine breakthrough infections. Or put another way, there is still not an unexpected rate of break through infection and therefore the vaccines are still providing the protection expected given the data collected during clinical trials.

According to a report published August 27, 2021, as of July 25, the SARS-CoV-2 infection rate among unvaccinated persons was 4.9 times and the hospitalization rate was 29.2 times the rates among fully vaccinated persons. It should be noted that these number include all people 16 years of age and older and that they were compiled during a time when the vaccination rate was less than 50% which is much lower than it is today. The higher the vaccination rate becomes, the better these number get because whether you ever acknowledge it or not, these number flatly prove that the vaccines are effective at preventing serious illness and death.

As for serious adverse affects from getting the vaccine...

Serious adverse events were defined as any untoward medical occurrence that resulted in death, was life-threatening, required inpatient hospitalization or prolongation of existing hospitalization, or resulted in persistent disability/incapacity. The proportions of participants who reported at least 1 serious adverse event were 0.6% in the vaccine group and 0.5% in the placebo group. The most common serious adverse events in the vaccine group which were numerically higher than in the placebo group were appendicitis (7 in vaccine vs 2 in placebo), acute myocardial infarction (3 vs 0), and cerebrovascular accident (3 vs 1). Cardiovascular serious adverse events were balanced between vaccine and placebo groups. Two serious adverse events were considered by U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) as possibly related to vaccine: shoulder injury possibly related to vaccine administration or to the vaccine itself, and lymphadenopathy involving the axilla contralateral to the vaccine injection site. Otherwise, occurrence of severe adverse events involving system organ classes and specific preferred terms were balanced between vaccine and placebo groups.

(38,000 participants ≥16 years of age randomized 1:1 to vaccine or placebo)

FDA briefing document
Bottom line: In areas of higher vaccination percentages the rate of covid deaths compared to areas of lower numbers of vaccinations is higher. In other words, rates of covid deaths are proportional to percentages of vaccinations in an area.
 

Clete

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Ahhhh yes. What a wonderful discussion we are having.

Those who believe in the virus belong to a cult.

The way JudgeRightly responded is the typical cultist response.
Discussion requires two way rational discourse where people say things that make sense and which are supported by evidence and rational arguments.

Idiots say things that are obviously false as though they believe them and won't provide a scintilla of evidence to support their insane claims because there isn't any such evidence in existence. Thus, "You're an idiot for believing this." is not only appropriate but is likely the only rational thing you've been told this week.

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Clete

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Bottom line: In areas of higher vaccination percentages the rate of covid deaths compared to areas of lower numbers of vaccinations is higher. In other words, rates of covid deaths are proportional to percentages of vaccinations in an area.
You are a liar. I cannot fathom what possible motive you have but there isn't any way possible that even you believe something so obviously false.
 

marke

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You are a liar. I cannot fathom what possible motive you have but there isn't any way possible that even you believe something so obviously false.
77% of all US deaths from covid are among the age group 65 and up. 85% of all Americans in the age group 65 and up have been vaccinated. That means there are more deaths in the US from covid among the vaccinated than there are among the unvaccinated.


Take this data for example: 100% of Vermont residents 75 years and older have been vaccinated.

Just this week three of the four newly reported covid deaths were among those 80 or older.

You do the math.
 
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annabenedetti

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77% of all US deaths from covid are among the age group 65 and up. 85% of all Americans in the age group 65 and up have been vaccinated. That means there are more deaths in the US from covid among the vaccinated than there are among the unvaccinated.

Wow. Where to begin. Just for starters, how many of those deaths occurred before the vaccine was available?

That magical imaginary math says so much about the way you process information disinformation.

This forum was all but dead before you came gish galloping through here with your firehose of falsehoods, and with them you've pretty much nailed the coffin shut.
 

marke

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Wow. Where to begin. Just for starters, how many of those deaths occurred before the vaccine was available?

That magical imaginary math says so much about the way you process information disinformation.

This forum was all but dead before you came gish galloping through here with your firehose of falsehoods, and with them you've pretty much nailed the coffin shut.
I repeat:

Take this data for example: 100% of Vermont residents 75 years and older have been vaccinated. This report is dated 13 Oct. 2021.

Vermont Coronavirus Vaccination Progress


Just this week three of the four newly reported covid deaths were among those 80 or older. This report is dated Sept. 29, 2021.

Vermont reports 104 new Covid cases and 4 new deaths

The state has reported 37 deaths in September, making this the second-deadliest month of the pandemic.

You do the math.
 

musterion

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Freedom of speech means freedom of thought. You don’t HAVE to justify, prove, or even explain your personal convictions to ANYONE.

The people asking you to state your beliefs are bored, annoyed, and a little frightened by you. You've already been judged as guilty.

They just want you to incriminate yourself by stating your convictions--they will never honestly consider their merit.

They want to know why you object only in order to find a way to delegitimize your convictions to force you to doubt yourself, thereby force your compliance.

They have no interest in your beliefs beyond turning them as a weapon against you. Their questions are to get you to provide the ammo they'll use to be rid of you.

But if you don’t make your convictions known, they can’t do that.

It’s all a psyop. Don’t accept their false premise. NEVER bow before illegitimate authority. NEVER dignify entrapment questions with honest answers.

Say nothing and let the chips fall.
 
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JudgeRightly

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It's a tragedy that anyone dies from this disease.
It's a tragedy because in the majority of cases death can be so easily prevented, but vaccine denialism and rejection of other common sense measures to contain the spread of a contagious virus allow death to proliferate.

But why bring up the fact that she's a flat earther? This site is against such stupidity...
Flat earthism is on a par with covid lies in terms of the level of stupidity it takes to believe it.
 

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Republican Rep. Ken Weyler was known around the New Hampshire Statehouse for dismissing the benefits of COVID-19 vaccines and opposing tens of millions of dollars in federal funds to promote vaccinations. But when the 79-year-old Weyler, a retired commercial pilot and Massachusetts Institute of Technology graduate who chaired the legislature's powerful fiscal committee, sent a 52-page report likening vaccines to “organized mass murder," Republican leaders were compelled to act.

“I don’t know of anyone who agrees with it. It’s absolute craziness,” said Republican House Speaker Sherman Packard, who quickly accepted Weyler's resignation from his committee post. The episode was especially piercing in New Hampshire, where the previous House speaker died of COVID-19 last year. It has also exposed Republicans' persistent struggle to root out the misinformation that has taken hold in its ranks across the country.

 

marke

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It's a tragedy because in the majority of cases death can be so easily prevented, but vaccine denialism and rejection of other common sense measures to contain the spread of a contagious virus allow death to proliferate.


Flat earthism is on a par with covid lies in terms of the level of stupidity it takes to believe it.
Vaccines are not preventing covid deaths from among hundreds or thousands of elderly Americans.
 

marke

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Republican Rep. Ken Weyler was known around the New Hampshire Statehouse for dismissing the benefits of COVID-19 vaccines and opposing tens of millions of dollars in federal funds to promote vaccinations. But when the 79-year-old Weyler, a retired commercial pilot and Massachusetts Institute of Technology graduate who chaired the legislature's powerful fiscal committee, sent a 52-page report likening vaccines to “organized mass murder," Republican leaders were compelled to act.

“I don’t know of anyone who agrees with it. It’s absolute craziness,” said Republican House Speaker Sherman Packard, who quickly accepted Weyler's resignation from his committee post. The episode was especially piercing in New Hampshire, where the previous House speaker died of COVID-19 last year. It has also exposed Republicans' persistent struggle to root out the misinformation that has taken hold in its ranks across the country.

Once a person has been brainwashed into believing a lie he will go to the grave convinced the lie is true. Sadly, democrats with crazy ideas about covid and vaccines are trying to push their unscientific foolishness on everyone to the greater harm of the whole nation.
 
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