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They have the right not to be raped by their husbands, that's for sure. To pick up further in regards to your comment about Paul, from what I recall in the epistles, he encourages not to marry but it's better to do so than to burn with passion so it's kinda a select audience he's addressing...

Nope.

According to any none wingnut.

There's no excusable reason to use force regardless, period. A husbands wife is not obliged to give him sex on tap.

I would very much hope you wouldn't but you're the one who's been prattling on about how it somehow isn't rape and whatnot.

Don't try and pen romance novels as a career move whatever you do JR... Uh, yah, I saw the apostrophes, duh. Shame you can't 'read between the lines' and recognize that a loving relationship is not about possession or ownership in a literal sense.

To be fair I should have been a bit more specific in retrospect although the context was still easily enough read. In a loving relationship nobody would regard their partner as their property or whatever anyway and would in no way, shape or form, force sex onto them.

How about hers? If she says no to sex and you force yourself on her regardless despite her protestations then please explain what this "something else" is other than rape and also how such an act is somehow loving and cherishing your wife.

"The sex is the right"?! There's no "time where force would come into play" Derf, not in a loving relationship, not if you truly loved and cherished her. If you did so you would be raping your wife. She is not your property and neither would you be hers. But if you were to do the above then...

No disagreement with the content here but some here actually have the level of stupidity to outright state that there's no such thing as rape in a marriage. They don't even acknowledge that a husband forcing his unwilling wife into sex counts as such. Stupefying for sure but it's there...

I recall you saying something charmless along the lines of it wouldn't be satisfying to have sex with a motionless lump of flesh but you were hardly denouncing forced sex and you still seemed to think it was your right regardless. You changed your tune on that?

Well, sure don't need to navigate around much to recognize that a husband or anyone else forcing sex onto another is abhorrent. Go preach to yourself.

They have an absolute woeful ignorance of healthy relationship dynamics to put it mildly... Setting aside the abhorrent force/rape aspect for a moment, who, if they truly loved their spouse, would be interested in having sex with them if they were unwilling anyway? This isn't just sex, it's a...

Thanks for the sermon. Funny how I didn't need one or any aid in being able to recognize how unloving it is to force sex on a partner but hey, thanks anyway!

So, you're telling me how it's "loving" to force your wife into sex? Um, no, you aren't. The Bible itself gives the most eloquent description of love there is. What you advocate is anything but.

Well, he's hardly gonna please his wife by forcing himself on her so that's a no go. If he actually cared for her, not only would he not do so, he'd be repulsed by the notion also. Not going well for the "no rape in marriage crowd" from scripture itself.

Frankly, some of the ilk who deny that women can be raped in a marriage would probably deny them the vote as well. Truly pathetic.

Wow, the lengths you go to to try and "justify" your position, whereby a husband can and even "rightfully" force sex upon his wife and it's somehow not rape. How is that loving or cherishing exactly?

Do you ever vet your sources before just buying into them at face value?

Frankly, anyone who claims to love and cherish their spouse while simultaneously claiming that it's okay to force sex on them have no idea what loving and cherishing actually encapsulate. You simply wouldn't want to do that to them.